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500NL LIVE: KK UTG+1
This was a hand that a friend of mine played a few weeks ago, and since he doesn't like the advice I give him I was hoping you all could help me out.
No reads on either of the players involved in this hand. They both have a full stack($500) and we have them covered($1000). Table is 7 handed. Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] UTG+1. UTG folds, hero calls $5, MP1 calls $5, HJ folds, button raises to $20, the blinds fold, hero reraises to $50, MP1 calls $45, button calls $30. Flop: ($150) Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]<font color="blue"> (3 players) </font> Hero bets $100, MP1 raises to $300, button folds, hero reraises to $450 (all-in), MP1 calls. Did hero play this hand good or bad and why? |
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Re: 500NL LIVE: KK UTG+1
I don't mind limp/reraising in a full game, but 7 handed (3 off the button if hero's UTG+1) I'd rather raise first in. Once MP limps and button raises, the 3-bet's gotta be at least to $60, maybe $70.
After the limp/reraise and flop bet, hero's range is basically KK+, so when he gets raised I'd assume he's looking at a set. There's not a lot of other hands MP1 could have called a reraise not even closing the action with except maybe AKs. I find most $2/5 games to play pretty weak tight outside of New York (I haven't played NL in California, but I'd assume it plays pretty wild), and even here I'd be inclined to fold without a good read. Good to see you back, PB. |
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Re: 500NL LIVE: KK UTG+1
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After the limp/reraise and flop bet, hero's range is basically KK+ [/ QUOTE ] That's what I said to him. He said he's capable of lrr'ing with AJ+, JJ+, and KQ. And occasionally a hand like 76s. Of course, these players aren't going to know that. What do you think about his strategy?^^^ |
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Re: 500NL LIVE: KK UTG+1
I think you should start limp/re-raising with more than KK+. There's a lot of dead money out there when the small pp's don't make sets. So yummy.
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Re: 500NL LIVE: KK UTG+1
I don't play live very much but
I like the limp/raise, but I think we need to reraise to an absolutely minimum of $60, and more is probably better. Even MP1 is getting good odds to call with just about anything as long as you are stacking off, let alone the btn. With a big reraise it should play out the same It was played bad b/c he basically forced everyone to see a flop and then stacked off with 1 pair. If he had a read where villains would stack off with QJ, KQ then it was brilliant, but people don't do that very often |
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Re: 500NL LIVE: KK UTG+1
make it like 70-80 pre flop. 50 is wayyyy to little. i think after the flop you gotta get it in, thought i dont want to.
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Re: 500NL LIVE: KK UTG+1
I don't think I've ever limp re-raised in my life, so you can tell how much I like that move. That being said, I think his re-raise is way too small. The raiser only needs to call $30 which gives him more than enough implied odds to set mine with 77. Particularly since this is live and there may well be other callers to juice the pot.
I think everyone's flop analysis is spot on so I won't just repeat it. [ QUOTE ] What do you think about his strategy?^^^ [/ QUOTE ] I think FPS at live games (at least lower stakes games) is really, really dangerous. You don't need to be tricky to beat these games, you just need to be consistent. Especially when tricky just means you hang yourself. |
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Re: 500NL LIVE: KK UTG+1
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I don't think I've ever limp re-raised in my life [/ QUOTE ] I really think you're missing out on making a healthy balancing strategy there. I'm guessing that means you almost never open limp in EP huh? |
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Re: 500NL LIVE: KK UTG+1
I basically l/rr somestimes with AA, KK, and AKs in live games where I want to limp my small pairs, too. If there aren't other hands you want to open limp, though, limp/reraising doesn't make much sense.
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Re: 500NL LIVE: KK UTG+1
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I really think you're missing out on making a healthy balancing strategy there. I'm guessing that means you almost never open limp in EP huh? [/ QUOTE ] Not very often, but it depends on the table. If it's a very loose passive table I'll limp SC's and small pairs sometimes. But mostly I'm more concerned about having a balanced range when I open raise EP/UTG. My PFR is usually around 8 and I think a lot of players with PFR's in the 5-8 range really hurt themselves because their EP/UTG open raising range often so narrow and therefore readable. |
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