$10/45 on Stars two hands.

Coz · #1 10-11-2007, 11:57 PM

Villian had been raising limpers frequently in position with 3 or 4 limpers, most times the limpers would just fold pre. However, anytime it got to the flop he led out a lot with around a 2/3 pot bet.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) UPF Handconverter

Hero (t1355)
MP2 (t1500)
CO (t1900)
Button (t1930)
SB (t1260)
BB (t1035)
UTG (t1800)
UTG+1 (t1250)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to t90, 2 folds, Button calls t90, 1 fold, BB calls t60.

Flop: (t285) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t150, Button raises to t390, BB folds, Hero?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (7 handed) UPF Handconverter

MP1 (t5255)
MP2 (t4845)
CO (t6120)
Hero (t2165)
SB (t6010)
BB (t5665)
UTG (t1730)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP1 raises to t500, 2 folds, Hero calls t500, 2 folds.

Flop: (t1150) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets t800, Hero?

Thanks!

homanga · #2 10-12-2007, 12:16 AM

Hand 1: Fold It
Hand 2: Only getting AK/AJ to fold here by shoving. This looks like a fold.

Coz · #3 10-12-2007, 12:44 AM

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Hand 1: Fold It
Hand 2: Only getting AK/AJ to fold here by shoving. This looks like a fold.

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Can you give me hand ranges, and a justification for folding please. I mean what do you put villian on in Hand 1, the only Ten I see him having is AT, I think he is doing this alot of the time with A6, or a smaller PP, and AQ, KQ, QJ, KJ. Such a small re-raise to me looked like he thought I was c-betting and tried to take it away from me. I am sorry but just telling me to fold is not going to help me when facing this situation again.

homanga · #4 10-12-2007, 01:06 AM

Hand 1: I think you are up against 44+, JT,QT,KT,AT+.

Hand 2: I your only option is to push and once any lots of pp, JQ, KQ, AQ. just my 2 cents

benneh · #5 10-12-2007, 05:48 AM

yeesh, that's such a bad range for hand 1, honestly.

not saying we are good here, but you honestly think villain is only popping with tens or better here? 88 will repop here plenty as well as flush draws and straight draws. not to mention the read we have on him here.

im not sure what i do here, but i might call off one card and reevaluate. i also bet more on this flop, more around the turn of 3/4 or so and it makes folding to raises easier with your stack while giving you better fold equity.

as for hand 2, i probably fold this unless i really had the feeling he didn't hit. you called to hit a set here, otherwise you should have shoved preflop. you didn't hit your set, and there's plenty good chance he hit a queen.

there's also a good chance he didn't hit the queen, but he could also have you beat anyway. making a stand here is certainly ok in some spots and i think its bad to always fold here, but in general, a fold isn't losing much value.

what are your reads here in hand 2?

Pokerfarian · #6 10-12-2007, 06:04 AM

Shove/fold preflop in hand 2...not a huge amount of FE but if he's loose preflop it's still an okay shove. As played the only way to justify the preflop call certainly isn't nosetnobet, it's no Ace - allin. We're clearly having to make a decision for all our chips here & shoving must be right because you have the best hand too much of the time to fold But still shove/fold preflop is better.

black666 · #7 10-12-2007, 10:01 AM

Hand 1: 50% I fold and 50% I shove .. depends on the mood I'm in

Hand 2: with 10xBB limping/calling PFR is out of the question. Either fold or shove.
I would fold 77 because you have no FE and are in a coinflip at best. I think this is pretty borderline and comes down to reads and the raising range of villain (I would put him on 77+,ATs+,KQs,ATo+,KQo which makes you a 42% underdog). 99+ is a shove for sure.

ssnyc · #8 10-12-2007, 10:26 AM

hand one I'm not sure I'm buying his button raise...I may be in the shove camp...looks like a standard I'm in position and don't believe OR hit it raise...sure sometimes we will see A 10 or K 10 but you also have some FE if he is just making a play

2 just shove pre...you could fold but your stack is large enough to cause him some concern and 77 is decent enough at this stage

black666 · #9 10-12-2007, 10:56 AM

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2 just shove pre...you could fold but your stack is large enough to cause him some concern and 77 is decent enough at this stage

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Villain is getting almost 2:1 on a call .. why should he be concerned? It's an instacall with a fistpump for him.

Against a normal raising range, shoving 77 here would be -EV ... I would need a good read on villain to make this play. Just wait for a hand to open-shove when folded to you.

ssnyc · #10 10-12-2007, 11:04 AM

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2 just shove pre...you could fold but your stack is large enough to cause him some concern and 77 is decent enough at this stage

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Villain is getting almost 2:1 on a call .. why should he be concerned? It's an instacall with a fistpump for him.

Against a normal raising range, shoving 77 here would be -EV ... I would need a good read on villain to make this play. Just wait for a hand to open-shove when folded to you.

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Black...300 in pot plus 500 raise = $800...shove would be $1600 more into $800 pot...am I missing something