Stud 8: Am I a dumb chaser?

[Tha Stunna]

Sorry about the raw form, but the posted hand converter doesn't work for Absolute.

Zero reads on the table or the site for that matter. Was I calling for too long here?

Stage #461532739: Seven Card Hi/Lo Normal $2/$4 - 2006-10-04 00:00:03 (ET)
Seat 1 - I AM BOAT ($43.09 in chips)
Seat 2 - SJC729 ($44.15 in chips)
Seat 3 - ZOEPRINCESS ($40.51 in chips)
Seat 4 - ETULOSBA21 ($34 in chips)
Seat 5 - HUSSLIN ($31.04 in chips)
Seat 6 - WAITIN4ACES ($33.88 in chips)
Seat 7 - Hero ($80 in chips)
Seat 8 - PATTI007 ($47.88 in chips)
I AM BOAT - Posts the Ante $0.25
ZOEPRINCESS - Posts the Ante $0.25
HUSSLIN - Posts the Ante $0.25
ETULOSBA21 - Posts the Ante $0.25
SJC729 - Posts the Ante $0.25
Hero - Posts the Ante $0.25
PATTI007 - Posts the Ante $0.25
WAITIN4ACES - Posts the Ante $0.25
*** 3rd STREET ***
I AM BOAT - Pocket [H H 10h]
SJC729 - Pocket [H H 8h]
ZOEPRINCESS - Pocket [H H Ah]
ETULOSBA21 - Pocket [H H Jd]
HUSSLIN - Pocket [H H 10s]
WAITIN4ACES - Pocket [H H 5d]
THA_STUNNA - Pocket [8d 2d 2h]
PATTI007 - Pocket [H H 7s]
Hero - Bring-In $1
PATTI007 - Calls $1
I AM BOAT - Folds
SJC729 - Folds
ZOEPRINCESS - Folds
ETULOSBA21 - Folds
HUSSLIN - Folds
WAITIN4ACES - Folds



*** 4TH STREET ***
Hero - Pocket [8d 2d 2h Js]
PATTI007 - Pocket [H H 7s Kd]
PATTI007 - Checks
Hero - Bets $2
PATTI007 - Calls $2

I have a pair, so I presumably have the best hand. Wish she would fold though.

*** 5TH STREET ***
Hero - Pocket [8d 2d 2h Js 4s]
PATTI007 - Pocket [H H 7s Kd 9s]
PATTI007 - Bets $4
Hero - Calls $4

Uh... She acts like she has a nine, but I don't see how she could be playing a nine hand, and I'm probably a favorite over a naked spade draw. Maybe she's bluffing? I called, but was I right?

*** 6TH STREET ***
Hero - Pocket [8d 2d 2h Js 4s Qc]
PATTI007 - Pocket [H H 7s Kd 9s 5h]
PATTI007 - Bets $4
Hero - Calls $4

That's bad, but I rarely fold sixth when she catches nothing scary.

*** RIVER ***
Hero - Pocket [8d 2d 2h Js 4s Qc 7h]
PATTI007 - Pocket [H H 7s Kd 9s 5h H]
PATTI007 - Bets $4
Hero - Calls $4

Call and hope she was bluffing? I did.

[Wolf44]

If she is going to bet all the way through we are getting 14 to 12 on 5th, I fold here.

[Andy B]

I would take the free card on fourth. I would also fold on fifth, sixth, and seventh.

[*TT*]

Check 4th street behind, your ducks are lame. fold 5th as you played it.

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[Wolf44]

Why are you guys checking behind on 4th? I actually thought that there was some value in betting - I mean, villain needs to fold only 25% and we already break even on this bet.

thanks much

wolf

[*TT*]

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Why are you guys checking behind on 4th? I actually thought that there was some value in betting - I mean, villain needs to fold only 25% and we already break even on this bet.

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What gives you any impression the villain will ever fold for 1 bet? What is the villains hand range in your mind?

TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

[Wolf44]

Hi TT,

we have no read on villain, so it´s hard to narrow down his hand range, he could have almost anything. But as he only called the bring in and then checked to us on 4th. This looks very weak and I think we should have some folding equity here - but is it higher than 25%?

I would say yes. He acted weak and if he called with three low cards, he didn´t improve. If he raises, I´d fold.

Please tell me if my thinking is wrong here - and why. I didn´t play stud8 for quite some time and restarted just a week ago. There is plenty for me to learn.

thanks much

wolf

[Wilson]

ur 4th street bet is pretty much neva gonna get a fold from villain.

i'm makin a few assumptions here... reasonable ones i hope:

1. villain isn't clueless.
2. villain had "smthg" to enter on 3rd, at worst 3 cards to a ragged 7, probably better.
3. villain assumes ur sayin u've got a pair of jacks.
4. villain doesn't necessarily believe u, though he'll keep in mind that itz possible.

i'm gonna give villain the worst possible hand he could have, (5c2s)7h n try to look at this from the his pt of view...

"he's tellin me he's got jacks, he might. but i doubt he's got anythg better than jacks. against jacks, that king i caught makes my hand, (52)7Kr, a 2-1 dog. if he doesn't have jacks i'm probably in the lead, or not much of a dog. there's $6 in the pot, costs me $2 to call, givin me 3-1. i'm at least seein the next card!"

so couple all this with the fact that villain's hand is likely to be better than the one i gave him and that he'll think ur tryin to buy the pot cos he checked, he's almost always gonna peel!

does this sound reasonable?