Winning in Tough Hold 'em Games

[7n7]

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At 1-2 one can already face more or less better players and one needs to learn to play vs. one's own style and vs. players who are also something, maybe tighter or maybe more aggressive. One needs to learn to beat them.

At 2-4 the better players are more experienced and more accurate when playing vs. other similar players, so they will beat the decent players there, and one needs to learn to hold one's own there, and then with time to get an edge over most of them.

At middle limits 5-10 and 10-20 players seem plenty solid and more often than not it being hard to find loose player(s) from there; all too often one is there with only tighter players, so it's time to show the skills one has achieved at 2-4 and 3-6, where one should learn how to beat the tight(-aggressive) and more accurate players.

At 15-30 it may already look like that whatever one has achieved so far is of little use as the style is generally so different; one is already facing the high limit style, maybe more so when the small blind is $10. As it's the "lowest" limit there it should be beatable (like 2-4 and 3-6 are beatable), though I don't know but I could bet on that.

Next that high limit style keeps getting more accurate as the limits get higher, and with that the style(s) again get different, though still the high limit style but one may get beaten even if one can beat the lower high limit players as one is not playing against them anymore but against the players who beat them, that generally means one gets beaten; one again needs to learn to hold one's own, again vs. different style(s).

When there are loose players the game plays differently as long as the loose player is on the pot, and when he is not, it's basically what I call a tough game. But for the bigger boys it may not be what they call a tough game. But one will face all kinds of players at higher limits, and if one knows how to beat that style (one learns that at lower limits), then it's not only the high limit style one needs to learn to beat, though the "fish" always plays differently at different limits.

If one doesn't play in super tough games there must be a way to get an edge over other players there, and the lower the limit the easier it rates to be, and all that learning is not all wasted when one moves up and a part of the time faces similar opponents. Though it would be nice to start from 30-60, and I sure would have and would if I would have had the money.

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Just curious as to what limits you're at now? It's nice to hear some input from someone who has worked their way thru the ranks.

[maurile]

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The cover and feel of WTO is easily my favorite of all the poker books I've seen.
Looks and feels very profesional.

I rate it about a 9.
Most 2+2 books for cover and 'feel' I rate about a 5 or 6.


I agree that the cover of Stox's book looks much better.
The cover of NLHETP wasn't half-bad imo.

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To add to the hijack, my copy of WTO has been to hell and back with nary a scratch.

I took NLHETAP, SSHE, HEFAP on a few business trips and they practically are falling apart. I actually used Party points to replace 2 of them.

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I've bought TOP several times as well. For 2+2, bad binding is good business.

[jfk]

Should any stoxtrader excerpts make it to the 2+2 magazine in coming months (or get posted here) they'd be very well received.

(As to the bindery issue, WTO has outlasted many of my 2+2 titles.)

[Dynasty]

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Should any stoxtrader excerpts make it to the 2+2 magazine in coming months (or get posted here) they'd be very well received.


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I expect to publish an excerpt in the March issue.

[MicroBob]

I hope Mason pays attention here because I know he takes this binding and paper stuff seriously.

He says he spends more on the thick paper and the best binding they can get.

But it's really freaking thick and kind of awkward imo.

The Weighing the Odds with the thinner paper still seems like a more professionally made book imo and mine has endured the wear better also.

Mason's in the publishing business and I am not though.

[MarkD]

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I hope Mason pays attention here because I know he takes this binding and paper stuff seriously.

He says he spends more on the thick paper and the best binding they can get.

But it's really freaking thick and kind of awkward imo.

The Weighing the Odds with the thinner paper still seems like a more professionally made book imo and mine has endured the wear better also.

Mason's in the publishing business and I am not though.

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QFT

[Adman]

Again, what book is WTO?

[PJS]

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Again, what book is WTO?

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Weighing The Odds In Hold'em, by King Yao

[KungFuManchu]

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I hope Mason pays attention here because I know he takes this binding and paper stuff seriously.

He says he spends more on the thick paper and the best binding they can get.

But it's really freaking thick and kind of awkward imo.

The Weighing the Odds with the thinner paper still seems like a more professionally made book imo and mine has endured the wear better also.

Mason's in the publishing business and I am not though.

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Id love for two plus two books to be printed in exactly the same format (binding/pages) as Weighing the Odds. Just feels soooo much better in the hand.

[Adman]

Oh, I already have that one. Great book, excellent short handed section. I wonder how King's advice with respect to short games will compare with Stox's?