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Old 11-07-2007, 02:08 AM
markbris markbris is offline
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Default Range for stop n go? 5r

No reads on villain really. I was trying to stove this and had trouble coming up with a range here. I would think he is pushing pairs like 77+,AK,AQ pf but who knows. What kinda range you think?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG (t12664)
UTG+1 (t2410)
MP1 (t18126)
Hero (t10245)
MP3 (t15780)
CO (t12395)
Button (t24801)
SB (t1939)
BB (t8601)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t600</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls t500, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t1400) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t1339 (All-In)</font>, Hero?
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Old 11-07-2007, 02:54 AM
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Default Re: Range for stop n go? 5r

I doubt hes pushing with an overpair unless hes got TT or JJ.
If he just has paired the board then you got about 33% and the odds are 14-13. These arent good odds for a call.
If hes stop n going with atc then:
Board: Kh 6s 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.414% 52.37% 01.05% 6725088 134451.00 { QJs }
Hand 1: 46.586% 45.54% 01.05% 5848290 134451.00 { random }

So you beat a bluff only and just by a small margin.

I lean to a fold here. You have plenty of chips left.

I prbly dont raise preflop here either since the blinds dont really help you if it folds around and it sucks building a big pot with a weak easily dominated hand.
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:00 AM
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Default Re: Range for stop n go? 5r

odds are like 2-1 on the call so 33% would be ok.
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:04 AM
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Default Re: Range for stop n go? 5r

oh crap you're right. I still think its a fold here though. You're most likely going to need to improve. I would save the 10% of my stack.
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:21 AM
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Default Re: Range for stop n go? 5r

I know you are getting 2-1, but what hands are you ahead of? Any pair, Ace high, King high are all beating your hand right now. All you are ahead of is a terrible bluff. 2-1 is nowhere near good enough odds to call here, I personally think this is a fold.
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:33 AM
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Default Re: Range for stop n go? 5r

Also sharkscope, the board is 869 not K89. secondly, it doesnt matter how much of my stack it is, if its +EV im taking it so i dont really care about anything else or than whether its +EV or not. Same for Burnley, thats fine if Im behind nearly all the time as long as the pot is offering me odds to chase.
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Old 11-07-2007, 04:10 AM
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Default Re: Range for stop n go? 5r

I'd call...even if u have 9 clean outs you're getting the right odds to call. I agree with your assumption that hands like AQ;AK;55+ are shoving pre, so i'd say the top of his range here is a pair+FD.
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Old 11-07-2007, 04:27 AM
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Default Re: Range for stop n go? 5r

Call. You're getting a bit over 2 to 1 and considering he's jamming any pair 77+ pre you have a minimum of 7 outs, sometimes 10 when his AJ/KJ/KQ type hands don't have you dominated.
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Old 11-07-2007, 02:01 PM
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Default Re: Range for stop n go? 5r

This has to be call. You have a gut-shot and overs. You are getting better that 2:1. Part of his range is air, and against most of it you have plenty of outs for the equity needed.


Part of the advantage here is that villian is A/I. You don't have to worry about facing a big bet on the turn or on the river if you called. If villain were deeper stacked, you might peel one card off to see if he bets again on the turn, but are definitely not going any further U/I. If villain had a deeper stack, calling would be tough. But here, calling is very easy.

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Old 11-07-2007, 03:47 PM
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Default Re: Range for stop n go? 5r

Thanks I thought it was a call and did call. I had talked about it with another 2+2er and just wanted to stove it. Villain had 77 and turned a set.
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