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#11
08-21-2007, 03:12 PM
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Re: Two Super Fun Hands
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There is no way in hell I fold either of these. [/ QUOTE ] in hand 2: we RR a tag w/ AQ. we bet flop and he check raised us. are we really ahead of his range often enough to make a call +ev? 
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#12
08-21-2007, 03:14 PM
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Re: Two Super Fun Hands
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[ QUOTE ] There is no way in hell I fold either of these. [/ QUOTE ] in hand 2: we RR a tag w/ AQ. we bet flop and he check raised us. are we really ahead of his range often enough to make a call +ev? [/ QUOTE ] we're getting 2:1 on a shove so we only need 33% equity
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#13
08-21-2007, 03:17 PM
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Re: Two Super Fun Hands
i think the point on hand 2 is that if you're not looking to commit, don't bet the flop.
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#14
08-21-2007, 03:43 PM
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Re: Two Super Fun Hands
could someone please elaborate on TPTK in reraised pots, I have trouble grasping the concept of not folding when villain is repping overpair/sets ..?
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#15
08-21-2007, 03:46 PM
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Re: Two Super Fun Hands
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i think the point on hand 2 is that if you're not looking to commit, don't bet the flop. [/ QUOTE ] QFT I'm not delighted about getting it in here vs. a TAG but bet-folding top pair in a 3bet pot isn't a great idea. I have taken to check-raising all-in in these situations actually. Hand 1 I like calling then check-raising all-in on a safe turn. Check-fold if it's a diamond or straight card.
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#16
08-21-2007, 04:31 PM
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Re: Two Super Fun Hands
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could someone please elaborate on TPTK in reraised pots, I have trouble grasping the concept of not folding when villain is repping overpair/sets ..? [/ QUOTE ] Basically no one has odds to call with suited connectors/pocket pairs to hit their hand in 3 bet pots so the only way to make a call profitable is to c/raise bluff over the cbet a fair bit. c/raise bluffing can be profitable if your opponent 3bets widely. And it becomes super profitable if your opponent will bet/fold a hand as strong as TPTK.
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#17
08-21-2007, 04:36 PM
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Re: Two Super Fun Hands
OK thx. So in today's games there is enough bluffing in 3 bet pots that we don't fold TPTK.
That actually comes as a surprise to me.
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#19
08-21-2007, 06:31 PM
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Re: Two Super Fun Hands
There is no way in hell that a shove in Hand 1 is standard. Folding is more standard than shoving.
Hand 2 I think I get it in and it's much closer to a "I'm not considering folding." Basically Hand 1: I lean towards a fold Hand 2: I lean towards a shove
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#20
08-21-2007, 06:33 PM
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Re: Two Super Fun Hands
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There is no way in hell that a shove in Hand 1 is standard. Folding is more standard than shoving. Hand 2 I think I get it in and it's much closer to a "I'm not considering folding." Basically Hand 1: I lean towards a fold Hand 2: I lean towards a shove [/ QUOTE ] His range includes so many draws that folding the first hand is def. giving up EV in my opinion.
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