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Old 10-25-2007, 12:07 PM
the machine the machine is offline
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Default AK flops tptk gets c/r twice

should the turn be a check behind as a standard line against this villain?

villain is 27/22/4.4 over small sample. hes been aggro so far.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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Hero (UTG): $102.50
MP: $185.75
CO: $205.15
BTN: $133.75
SB: $86.55
BB: $209

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, 4 folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $6</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $25.50</font>, Hero calls $19.50

Turn: ($58.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $37</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $169.50</font>, Hero folds

Results: $132.50 Pot ($3 Rake)
BB mucked and WON $129.50 (+$63.50 NET)
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Old 10-25-2007, 12:10 PM
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Default Re: AK flops tptk gets c/r twice

I think the turn is usually a check behind against an aggro villain in this spot, precisely for the situation that you faced. I would rather check behind, keep the pot smallish, and induce a river bluff. I think a bet most of the time will result in worse hands folding, and better hands raising.
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Old 10-25-2007, 12:14 PM
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Default Re: AK flops tptk gets c/r twice

i think if you're betting the turn it shouldn't be to fold to a push, his weird line probably doesn't just equate to 22/77
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Old 10-25-2007, 12:17 PM
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Default Re: AK flops tptk gets c/r twice

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i think if you're betting the turn it shouldn't be to fold to a push, his weird line probably doesn't just equate to 22/77

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how can it not? unless he has air theres no way hes playing a worse ace this way IMO. i opened utg called a flop c/r and lead the turn after the flop action. he has to have better then AK to take this line id think
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Old 10-25-2007, 12:25 PM
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Default Re: AK flops tptk gets c/r twice

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i think if you're betting the turn it shouldn't be to fold to a push, his weird line probably doesn't just equate to 22/77

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how can it not? unless he has air theres no way hes playing a worse ace this way IMO. i opened utg called a flop c/r and lead the turn after the flop action. he has to have better then AK to take this line id think

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I have never seen someone do a double checkraise at 100nl. I'm betting the turn figuring my TPTK to be good and calling his shove.
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Old 10-25-2007, 12:25 PM
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Default Re: AK flops tptk gets c/r twice

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i think if you're betting the turn it shouldn't be to fold to a push, his weird line probably doesn't just equate to 22/77

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how can it not? unless he has air theres no way hes playing a worse ace this way IMO. i opened utg called a flop c/r and lead the turn after the flop action. he has to have better then AK to take this line id think

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I can see this from things as weak as a turned FD or SD, with or without a pair. This dude has a way wider range than sets if this were against me but maybe this is image dependent, I don't know if you play sig. differently than me postflop.
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Old 10-25-2007, 12:30 PM
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Default Re: AK flops tptk gets c/r twice

I'm making the decision on the flop based on the villain. Most aren't check raising that flop with worse than AK and I'm folding to the flop raise. Calling and hoping he slows down is spew. Obviously vs a donkey I'm going with the hand.
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Old 10-25-2007, 12:30 PM
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Default Re: AK flops tptk gets c/r twice

If I bet the turn it is because I want it all in. Bet folding is gross.
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Old 10-25-2007, 12:18 PM
Mike MacIntosh Mike MacIntosh is offline
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Default Re: AK flops tptk gets c/r twice

Villain's range is heavily weighted towards set/2pair on this dry flop. With that said there is no value/reason for betting this turn.

Do you have any kind of history with villain? Is there any reason at all he could be getting out of line with you?
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Old 10-25-2007, 12:21 PM
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Default Re: AK flops tptk gets c/r twice

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Villain's range is heavily weighted towards set/2pair on this dry flop. With that said there is no value/reason for betting this turn.

Do you have any kind of history with villain? Is there any reason at all he could be getting out of line on you?

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no history.

with me taking this line, in other words disregard my hole cards, what hand am i representing. what hands should i be able to fold out, what hands are shoving on me. is it possible for villain to take this action with AK. i dont see how he could c/r the turn with AK given the dryness of the board.
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