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11-12-2007, 11:13 PM
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Anarchists must be Anarcho-capitalists
"Anarcho-socialism", as a macro structure for society, can only be protected through force and therefore proponents are statists by practical necessity.
Anarcho-capitalism doens't suffer from this same flaw. DUCY? 
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11-12-2007, 11:22 PM
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Re: Anarchists must be Anarcho-capitalists
There is no such thing as anarcho-capitalism either. Do YOU see why?
The very concept of anarchy means that free actors can do as they wish, and this includes free trade, mob rule, and buying up/stealing all available land to make socialist communes Let's call it what it is: Anarchy. You support anarchy, period. The "capitalism" addition is just a bit of fluff to dress up a thoroughly debunked and laughed at notion with credible words. gg.
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11-12-2007, 11:27 PM
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Re: Anarchists must be Anarcho-capitalists
WOW. I'm not an ACist and even I have read literature on it that disputes your claim-from those proposing it. If you reappear from round your computer and star trek collection and pander about the real world and implications of what you are saying you will realise the absurdity of stating ACism would be free of force.
And yes anarcho-socialism would not by some magic eliminate all aspects of authority. It would dismantle forms of dominion and tyranny though which ACism would not and does'nt wish to. Anyway, whats the point in your OP; you just want to hear people congratulate and pat you on your back for conforming to their awesome ACist philosophy and to reinforce your flawed perspective on life? There are about 2 posters here who allign themselves loosely with anarcho-socialism; so Im confused as to what you are trying to achieve.
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11-12-2007, 11:28 PM
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Re: Anarchists must be Anarcho-capitalists
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There is no such thing as anarcho-capitalism either. Do YOU see why? The very concept of anarchy means that free actors can do as they wish, and this includes free trade, mob rule, and buying up/stealing all available land to make socialist communes Let's call it what it is: Anarchy. You support anarchy, period. The "capitalism" addition is just a bit of fluff to dress up a thoroughly debunked and laughed at notion with credible words. gg. [/ QUOTE ] If individuals are free to do what they want then there is a basis of private property: the individual. Further, anarcho-capitlism doesnt deny other forms of society so long as they are voluntary. Anarcho-capitlism provides the means for these structures to exist without force. A kibbutz can be set up, a democratically run condo or compound, etc... whatever.. none of this violates anarcho-capitalism. So far as the institutions aren't voluntary we are no longer taking about anarchy and are talking about a a state.
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11-12-2007, 11:29 PM
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Re: Anarchists must be Anarcho-capitalists
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"Anarcho-socialism", as a macro structure for society, can only be protected through force and therefore proponents are statists by practical necessity. [/ QUOTE ] I do not believe this to be true. There have been literally hundreds, if not thousands, of anarcho-socialist societies throughout human history.
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11-12-2007, 11:31 PM
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Re: Anarchists must be Anarcho-capitalists
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The very concept of anarchy means that free actors can do as they wish, and this includes free trade, mob rule [/ QUOTE ] You post at this forum yet have absolutely no idea whatsoever about the philosophy of anarchism? nice! The fact that you havn't expanded on the perception of anarchism as meaning 'chasos and disorder' is a shame- then again the only anarchism spoke of here usually refers to ACism so I guess your not entirely at fault.
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11-12-2007, 11:33 PM
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Re: Anarchists must be Anarcho-capitalists
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[ QUOTE ] "Anarcho-socialism", as a macro structure for society, can only be protected through force and therefore proponents are statists by practical necessity. [/ QUOTE ] I do not believe this to be true. There have been literally hundreds, if not thousands, of anarcho-socialist societies throughout human history. [/ QUOTE ] such as....? what happened to those in those societies who tried to control the fruits of their labor?
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11-12-2007, 11:35 PM
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Re: Anarchists must be Anarcho-capitalists
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[ QUOTE ] "Anarcho-socialism", as a macro structure for society, can only be protected through force and therefore proponents are statists by practical necessity. [/ QUOTE ] I do not believe this to be true. There have been literally hundreds, if not thousands, of anarcho-socialist societies throughout human history. [/ QUOTE ] There have been many anarcho-syndicalist communities. There have been less than a handful of major scale attempts at anarcho-syndicalist societies.
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11-12-2007, 11:43 PM
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Re: Anarchists must be Anarcho-capitalists
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WOW. I'm not an ACist and even I have read literature on it that disputes your claim-from those proposing it. If you reappear from round your computer and star trek collection and pander about the real world and implications of what you are saying you will realise the absurdity of stating ACism would be free of force. [/ QUOTE ] Is there an argument somehwere in this ad hominem? [ QUOTE ] It would dismantle forms of dominion and tyranny though which ACism would not and does'nt wish to. [/ QUOTE ] It would do this through persuasion or tyranny? [ QUOTE ] Anyway, whats the point in your OP; you just want to hear people congratulate and pat you on your back for conforming to their awesome ACist philosophy and to reinforce your flawed perspective on life? There are about 2 posters here who allign themselves loosely with anarcho-socialism; so Im confused as to what you are trying to achieve [/ QUOTE ] i posted to have the precise discussion im having with you. Why did you answer to this post? To pander to yourself and your one anarcho-socialist buddy?
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