4 straight on board, vill raising my donk

[Unknown Soldier]

no, river is not a push. Even if you have 1c left, don't put it in.

[sublime]

yeah thinking about it for 10 seconds makes me realize shoving on for the last 12 is silly.

[markuisis]

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PS. River is a push, not a call. Villain has only $12 left behind and calls with all of his range which includes more hands that Hero beats then the one hand that beats Hero.

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...??? so what if hes only got 12 left on the river. who bluff min raises a psb on the river this shallow? hero's chopping/beat

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id say his minraise instead of a push hugely favors a lone jack, ur getting 4:1, easy call, he might even have something really dumb like aces (not saying u should call hoping for that though)

[ajmargarine]

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yeah thinking about it for 10 seconds makes me realize shoving on for the last 12 is silly.

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No it's not.

Villain beats you with one hand. You are going to split alot. And an unknown who has open completed a couple times in 8 hands is maybe not the best player ever...and he can easily turn his hand into a bluff hoping you can't call without a Jack. He might have a 7, he might have 2pr or a set or w/e. IMO he has those hands more than he does have QJ and so you should push because he can't fold anything for $12.

Basically, we just eliminate the single jacks from his range. If we think he has QJ 51% of time compared to his other hands, we just call. I happen to think it's a push because he has the other hands more and it's certainly not silly.

[sublime]

meh i mean i shoved at the time with the same thought process as you just laid out so i didnt think it was THAT silly [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] still, thinking on it i think that that last $12 is -EV and only did it because its 'only' $12 which is a silly was to operate.

[ajmargarine]

ok. [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

and tbh, it's probably 1bb in EV either way.

[Unknown Soldier]

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Basically, we just eliminate the single jacks from his range. If we think he has QJ 51% of time compared to his other hands, we just call. I happen to think it's a push because he has the other hands more and it's certainly not silly.

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if that's your thought process then fair enough. It wasn't clear from your last post.

However, I think we're definitely behind his range here.

[ManChild]

wow, stick it in and stop being pussies, its [censored] HU on the 8th hand, hes likely a donk, you are only losing to 1 hand, and he isnt folding if he has anything on the river for 12$

[ajmargarine]

lol i don't think being a pussy has anything to do with anything. it's a poker decision that can likely go either way.

[sublime]

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wow, stick it in and stop being pussies, its [censored] HU on the 8th hand, hes likely a donk, you are only losing to 1 hand, and he isnt folding if he has anything on the river for 12$

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this is the thinking (that i used) i thought was silly fwiw