3/6 absurd JJ spot

[Mike Kelley]

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I'm not sure if that would be a bluff or for value or just to protect my hand.

I was quite confused.

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Me too, I guess when in doubt bet. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Could it possibly be a

I'll act weak so he think's I'm strong because I'm really weak type of leveling?

[maltaille]

This is really one of those spots where it's all about the reads, isn't it? Are you going to get check-raised by one of those in EP? Are they going to be ahead of you if they do, or just hoping to fold a higher PP? Does the CO have a higher PP than you? Is he looking for a raise so he can 3bet?

I think I call here, mostly because a raise folds anything you beat and not much you don't, but you're still ahead of everyone's range (except perhaps MP, and only with the CO because you say he's mediocre, which means he may be calling with a smaller PP).

Dump it to anything but a minraise (and maybe even that), dump it to a significant bet on the turn or river regardless of the number of callers, hope like hell the showdown is cheap, and expect to lose 50% of the time anyway.

[Mike Kelley]

Poker Stars
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.10/$0.25 Blinds
9 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $4.40
BB: $9.45
UTG: $40.75
UTG+1: $24.75
MP1: $20.75
MP2: $22.70
MP3: $29.20
Hero (CO): $31.45
BTN: $4.65

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9 Players)
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.50</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls $1.25, MP1 folds

Flop: ($3.60) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $0.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4.00</font>, UTG folds

Pot Size: $8.10 ($0.20 Rake)





Poker Stars
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.10/$0.25 Blinds
9 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $4.50
BB: $15.00
UTG: $14.15
UTG+1: $27.10
MP1: $28.00
MP2: $5.70
MP3: $16.90
CO: $19.20
Hero (BTN): $24.65

Preflop: Hero is dealt K A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9 Players)
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, CO calls $0.25, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.50</font>, 2 folds, MP1 calls $1.25, CO calls $1.25

Flop: ($4.85) A 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
MP1 checks, <font color="red">CO bets $0.75</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5.50</font>, MP1 folds, CO calls $4.75

Turn: ($15.85) A 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T (2 Players)
CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $13.00</font>, CO folds

Pot Size: $28.85 ($0.75 Rake)


Poker Stars
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.10/$0.25 Blinds
8 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $15.00
BB: $11.70
Hero (UTG): $32.40
UTG+1: $4.10
MP1: $29.30
MP2: $16.20
CO: $31.05
BTN: $16.25

Preflop: Hero is dealt A K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1.00</font>, 3 folds, CO calls $1.00, 2 folds, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.10) 3 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 (3 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $0.75</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.00</font>, CO folds, BB calls $2.25

Turn: ($9.10) 3 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $0.75</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8.50</font>, BB folds

Pot Size: $18.35 ($0.50 Rake)




You think it's the same type bet?

[soah]

those situations have nothing in common with this

[Mike Kelley]

So what did you do in your hand? Why didn't the converter show you on the flop?

And they do have the percentage of the pot bet by villain in common. Yours is way more difficult because of multiple villains paired flop I think.

[soah]

I called, UTG raised to $125, guy folds, other guy tanks and calls, I bitch in chat and fold. UTG pushes the turn and is not called.

[Mike Kelley]

Don't you think UTG would of 4bet AA,KK to protect his hand after you cold called the 3bet?

I'm uncomfortable with this situation I think that LAG's tend to 3bet really really strong and never light. In my experience with them anyway. Maybe they add 3betting to their arsenal when they move up in limits.

I guess I don't coldcall preflop, thanks for helping me think this out.

[soah]

I'm almost certain UTG had trips or 44 and CO had QQ, possibly KK

also, he was pretty much unknown. not more than a couple dozen hands with him when this occured

[QTip]

well...I really think I muck PF. I'd like to hear what folks are doing with QQ here.

[D.L.M.]

I muck preflop, their range is wide yet narrow enough to make me fold. Dont think its much of a leak to just let it go since spots like this dont occur often.