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09-04-2007, 12:28 PM
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There is an angle or two in here somewhere
I had a really bizarre player/floorcall to deal with last night. I get called over to the table and before I ask the dealer what happened a player starts yellings "I called and he killed it, that's a split pot." I shut him up and find out what happened. There is a new dealer in the box that is bad at telling me what happned but I determine that one player went all-in and the the next player tossed his cards forward face up. Now the bettor tables his cards face up. The dealer pulls the two hands in face up and mixes them with the flop (this is on the flop). He starts to push the chips to the bettor and the other player starts yelling he called. Since everyone saw the cards and another player confirmed that he heard the player call, I return the players' cards to them as he yells that he has been playing for 5 years and knows the rules (if I was to look at his ID again I am pretty sure I would see he isn't old enough to have played for 5 years). Since the pot was mixed in with the all-in player's chips I broke down the pot by the blinds and what they bet preflop to determine the amount he owed. I tell him how much he owes and walks away form the table (important concept for new floormen out there, make a decision and then leave the area of the table). About 5 minutes later a player comes up to me and tells me the game is stopped. I go back to the table (remember that there is a brand new dealer there) and the table has stopped becasue the player refused to put in the chips he owes and the dealer doesn't know to call me back to the table. I explain to the player that he will either put the chips in the pot right now or be removed from the room by security. He stands up to argue so I put his 4700 in for him and walk away. He now asks that gaming be called.
An hour later or so gamin arrives. First he argues that since he called and the cards were "mucked" (his words) it's a split pot. Gaming explains they had seen the tape and the cards were clearly retrievable, so the hand gets to play. Next he argued that since the dealer didn't hear him say "call" that he didn't owe that last chips, that his hand should have counted as a fold. "Didn't you just tell me you were insisting you called?" "Yea, but nobody heard me so that doesn't count." I think if I see him again I am going to 86 him. edit to add: He had QQ against K4 on a K high flop, so his best possible result is to let the dealer push the pot, I am not sure what he was trying to do. The only thing I could think of is the place down the street that has a magic muck might make it a split pot if the dealer mucks the live hands. 
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#2
09-04-2007, 12:33 PM
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Re: There is an angle or two in here somewhere
86 him
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#5
09-04-2007, 01:12 PM
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Re: There is an angle or two in here somewhere
Wow. Sounds like a crazy situation. Was this part of a MTT?
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#6
09-04-2007, 01:22 PM
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Re: There is an angle or two in here somewhere
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Question: How does a dealer not know how to call the floor? [/ QUOTE ] Lots of dealers try to solve these problems themselves. They don't like to admit they screwed up or don't want to bother the floor or they think they can handle it themselves. Another question: Its ok if I call the floor when I see an argument breaking out even if I'm not in the hand, right?
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#7
09-04-2007, 01:24 PM
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Re: There is an angle or two in here somewhere
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[ QUOTE ] Question: How does a dealer not know how to call the floor? [/ QUOTE ] Lots of dealers try to solve these problems themselves. They don't like to admit they screwed up or don't want to bother the floor or they think they can handle it themselves. Another question: Its ok if I call the floor when I see an argument breaking out even if I'm not in the hand, right? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. Ideally you should be able to get the dealer to do it, but some dealers don't speak English so a player has to call for the floor. In this case it was an inexperienced dealer that doesn't know how to yell "floor."
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#8
09-04-2007, 01:47 PM
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Re: There is an angle or two in here somewhere
Tournament?
Did you get any heat from gaming for putting the player's chips in for him? (I'm guessing probably not as long as we are talking tournament.)
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#9
09-04-2007, 02:03 PM
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Re: There is an angle or two in here somewhere
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I tell him how much he owes and walks away form the table (important concept for new floormen out there, make a decision and then leave the area of the table). [/ QUOTE ] What is the reasoning behind this? Just curious...
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#10
09-04-2007, 02:41 PM
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Re: There is an angle or two in here somewhere
When you say 86 him, do you mean ban him from the casino? If so, then yes, I don't want to come to your casino and play against a guy like this. He's a cheater.
You gotta think, if this guy had AA instead of QQ, would he be making the same arguements? Doubt it, because he's a cheater.
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