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Old 06-15-2007, 01:55 AM
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Default Re: Dateline NBC \"to catch a predator\", possible entrapment?

Entrapment for prostitution = idiotic

Entrapment for child molestors = more power to them.

If you don't really know the difference between these 2, not sure what to tell ya.

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Old 06-15-2007, 01:56 AM
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Default Re: Dateline NBC \"to catch a predator\", possible entrapment?

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Kinda off topic but could somoene explain a situation that would be considered entrapment.

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cop comes up to you on the street and says, 'hey man you want to buy some coke?'
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:57 AM
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Default Re: Dateline NBC \"to catch a predator\", possible entrapment?

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Kinda off topic but could somoene explain a situation that would be considered entrapment.

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cop comes up to you on the street and says, 'hey man you want to buy some coke?'

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It may be subtly different, but I see things like this on "Cops" all the time it seems, are the laws different from state to state?
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:58 AM
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Default Re: Dateline NBC \"to catch a predator\", possible entrapment?

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Kinda off topic but could somoene explain a situation that would be considered entrapment.

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Undercover cop goes up to a random dude and offers to sell him crack. Dude repeatedly declines, but the cop repeatedly insists and the dude ends up buying the crack cause he is scared the undercover cop is gonna mug him or something.

There essentially needs to be some element of duress, coercion, fear, etc. and not just an invitation to commit a crime.
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:58 AM
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Default Re: Dateline NBC \"to catch a predator\", possible entrapment?

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wtf, how is that entrapment? The decoys make sure the mark knows they're incredibly under age.

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What does this have to do with entrapment? To show entrapment, the defendent has to show that they wouldn't have done what they did if it weren't for the officer's actions.

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..and why doesnt that apply here?

and did they ever really commit a crime?

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If one tries to hire someone to commit a murder, does anyone have to be killed for it to be a crime?

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Old 06-15-2007, 01:59 AM
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Default Re: Dateline NBC \"to catch a predator\", possible entrapment?

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Kinda off topic but could somoene explain a situation that would be considered entrapment.

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cop comes up to you on the street and says, 'hey man you want to buy some coke?'

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Thats definitely not entrapment unless the cop somehow bullies the person into buying the coke.
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:00 AM
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Default Re: Dateline NBC \"to catch a predator\", possible entrapment?

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wtf, how is that entrapment? The decoys make sure the mark knows they're incredibly under age.

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What does this have to do with entrapment? To show entrapment, the defendent has to show that they wouldn't have done what they did if it weren't for the officer's actions.

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..and why doesnt that apply here?

and did they ever really commit a crime?

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If one tries to hire someone to commit a murder, does anyone have to be killed for it to be a crime?

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No. Conspiracy to commit murder and solicitation of murder are crimes in and of themselves.
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:11 AM
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Default Re: Dateline NBC \"to catch a predator\", possible entrapment?

So how is there ever entrapment for prostitution?
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:12 AM
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Default Re: Dateline NBC \"to catch a predator\", possible entrapment?

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Kinda off topic but could somoene explain a situation that would be considered entrapment.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:16 AM
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Default Re: Dateline NBC \"to catch a predator\", possible entrapment?

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So how is there ever entrapment for prostitution?

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Thats the point; there almost never is. Entrapment rarely a successful defense period, but there is common misconception, as evidenced by some peoples' replies in this thread, that a cop simply offering someone drugs or prostitution is entrapment when it is definitely not.
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