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Old 05-19-2007, 07:33 AM
infinity235 infinity235 is offline
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Default Re: 66 overpair with a OESD against BB

I decided to call here, the odds were good, he was donking, so I probably needed improvement...

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4.5BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6.5BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, Hero ???

OK, I think it's pretty clear that I should fold here... isn't it?
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Old 05-19-2007, 07:36 AM
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Default Re: 66 overpair with a OESD against BB

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Raise preflop.

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I was thinking about open-raising preflop, but when MP1 called, I decided to just call too.
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Old 05-19-2007, 08:08 AM
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Default Re: 66 overpair with a OESD against BB

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I decided to call here, the odds were good, he was donking, so I probably needed improvement...

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4.5BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6.5BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, Hero ???

OK, I think it's pretty clear that I should fold here... isn't it?

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How many outs do you have, what odds do you get?
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Old 05-19-2007, 08:37 AM
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Default Re: 66 overpair with a OESD against BB

on the river, 0 outs. he is getting 6.5 to 1 on a river call. I think you might see a lone 6 often enough to call the river.
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Old 05-19-2007, 10:43 AM
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Default Re: 66 overpair with a OESD against BB

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Raise preflop.

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I like a raise with 88 here, but with 66 I'd rather limp to encourage limps behind me for set value.

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66 is actually pretty big HU against an MP open-limper, even as "just" a pair. Also, there's only one player left that hasn't already put money in the pot so if we make everyone fold we're getting some decent overlay. I guess this partly has to do with at one point you consider PPs to be made hands and not set draws; I could go as low as 22 here with the right reads.

River: Guh, even 2x got there. The only other draw is 6x and you hold 2 of the sixes. I'm fine folding this river as it's pretty hard for him to continue bluffing; there are definitely some rivers I would call this UI and I would probably call if I somehow got there with 99, but as it stands we lose to basically everything except 6x and some random part of the board that does not have a Q or A kicker.
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Old 05-19-2007, 01:45 PM
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Default Re: 66 overpair with a OESD against BB

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on the river, 0 outs. he is getting 6.5 to 1 on a river call. I think you might see a lone 6 often enough to call the river.

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Yeah, nevermind. I was misreading that addendum as flop and turn, thinking he was getting 6:1 for a call to the river.
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Old 05-19-2007, 02:10 PM
ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S is offline
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Default Re: 66 overpair with a OESD against BB

CALL! (the river)
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Old 05-19-2007, 02:27 PM
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Default Re: 66 overpair with a OESD against BB

Are you high?
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Old 05-20-2007, 01:02 PM
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Default Re: 66 overpair with a OESD against BB

I called. He showed 45o.
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