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Old 04-16-2007, 07:32 PM
Shabamabam Shabamabam is offline
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Default Can I fold here?

Villain knows i've been playing relatively tight. Villain is Steve Z.

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $25/$50
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $4499
UTG+1: $3309
MP1: $9930.40
MP2: $3802
CO: $1716.50
Hero: $6210
SB: $850
BB: $2469

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($350, 7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $350</font>, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1400</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($3150, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG is all-in $3049</font>, Hero ???
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Old 04-16-2007, 09:01 PM
EffenDolts EffenDolts is offline
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Default Re: Can I fold here?

Tough spot! You can't expect that villain is betting the flop with 67xx with spades, since you hold the nut spade. If villain has 67, he also has A2 or A3. Otherwise, he can't call from UTG. Aw67 has you in bad shape. I am hard-pressed to think of another hand that he plays this way, but I don't like folding based on fear of a specific 4-card hand.

It seems equally likely that villain is misreading you for NFD and a worse low draw. But villain still needs a reason to bet the flop. Q-hi FD doesn't make any sense, because villain wouldn't like the turn card. Would villain bet with NLD and two-pair or set? It is unlikely, but possible that villain flopped top 2-pair plus backdoor NLD. However, this is also putting him on a specific 4-card hand.

I call, based on the fact that UTG shouldn't have 67 and could be misreading your hand.

Effen
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Old 04-16-2007, 09:56 PM
neverforgetlol neverforgetlol is offline
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Default Re: Can I fold here?

I would fold since you have no spade or low draw.
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Old 04-16-2007, 10:04 PM
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Default Re: Can I fold here?

I would not fold there if you held a gun to my head.
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Old 04-16-2007, 10:06 PM
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Default Re: Can I fold here?

think about how many river cards will give you a scoop.
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Old 04-16-2007, 10:12 PM
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Well given that you are holding the Ace of spades, you dont have to call off a big bet on the river, and that it's very unlikey for him to have the made straight, all = call IMO.
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Old 04-16-2007, 10:28 PM
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Default Re: Can I fold here?

I don't know anything about the villain, but if he's a PLO player then I think you will see bottom set occasionally if you have an agro image, or a wrap if he thinks there is a high probability that you have a set and wanted to wait for a safe turn. If he had flush+wrap (which you are pretty far ahead of here) I'd imagine he'd have shoved the flop. So I would imagine that you are probably better than 50-50 here against his range, and the more likely he is to have a wrap, smaller set, or flush draw, the closer you will be to 60% against his range. The only wrap that hit was JT76 or 765x, both of which are complete trash.
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Old 04-17-2007, 12:59 AM
Truthiness24 Truthiness24 is offline
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Default Re: Can I fold here?

Are you aware that the hand says PLO but this is the O8 section?

Or does the converter just do it like that?
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Old 04-17-2007, 02:51 AM
Shabamabam Shabamabam is offline
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O8.
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Old 04-17-2007, 05:34 AM
TxRedMan TxRedMan is offline
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Default Re: Can I fold here?

Why aren't you raising your button here?

Well, whatever.

The problem with this hand is that you've been playing tight, and on the flop your hand is pretty much face up if you ask me. Combine that w/ your image this is a call.

Also, wtf kind of hand can he have that leads this flop, but also contains 6-7?

We know he limped UTG, he can't have the nut flush draw, he donked into the field, called a huge re-raise, your playing tight and he knows it, he probably thinks you have a set, and I can't figure out what kind of hand he has here that can limp UTG, donk the field, and still contain 67. Maybe A-2-6s-7s. Maybe. I still don't think he's calling a PSR on the flop w/ that hand given these stacks.



In short, call.
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