How fishy?

AngusThermopyle · #1 05-18-2006, 11:43 PM

Was my call on the flop that fishy?
16-1 odds with just 2 overcards and backdoor draws.

Also, should I have 3-bet pre-flop, even OOP?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, CO raises, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (14 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets, Button calls, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG raises, MP1 folds, Button calls, Hero calls.

River: (16.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Button calls, Hero raises, UTG calls, Button calls.

Final Pot: 22.50 BB

Hero has Kh Ah (straight, ace high).
UTG has Js Jd (three of a kind, jacks).
Button has Qh As (one pair, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins 22.50 BB.

lautzutao · #2 05-18-2006, 11:54 PM

Not fishy at all. You had the outs to call this turn for sure with the gutshot alone.

OziBattler · #3 05-19-2006, 12:06 AM

not fishy at all. its a good flop call given the odds you are getting. Must watch for reverse domination from hands like KJ, AJ etc though.

drzen · #4 05-19-2006, 01:30 AM

Good call on the flop, particularly given that PFR, the most likely player to reverse dominate you, had folded. 3-bet PF and hope someone caps for you. This is a premium hand. You want as much money in as you can get in and position be damned. You could bet the turn too. Make a note of UTG. Didn't raise his pocket jacks PF, sandbagged on the flop even when he had seen a bet called by three who he'd have to believe would call another one back to them, and then decided to play on the turn. File under clueless.

MrWookie · #5 05-19-2006, 01:34 AM

Gotta 3bet preflop. Your hand is way, way too good.

inferno · #6 05-19-2006, 04:04 AM

raise/cap preflop, you might wanna c/r the turn

Ampelmann · #7 05-19-2006, 05:26 AM

Grunch:

3-bet preflop, AKs is a monster. You have a huge edge against so many people, you must exploit it.

After 3-betting I lead this flop against 3 villains, I usually check against more. The call is good, you had a lot of outs (overs, BDFD, weak BDSD).

jaxUp · #8 05-19-2006, 08:36 AM

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you might wanna c/r the turn

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Nick C · #9 05-19-2006, 08:43 AM

I would 3-bet preflop (and then check the flop, versus this many people).

Postflop is perfect.

Nick C · #10 05-19-2006, 08:48 AM

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raise/cap preflop, you might wanna c/r the turn

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No. Just call.

UTG has a monster (your A and K "outs" aren't looking very good anymore). You shouldn't have to look at the results to know that. And you have good relative position for the river.

Edit: Er, okay, we don't know about UTG's turn checkraise yet when we get the opportunity to make one. So I don't hate the idea. Among other things, we could have an equity edge versus four remaining opponents, with our overcards, gutshot, and nut flush draw. We might even buy a couple of A or K outs, if BB or UTG has us reverse-dominated.

I still think I prefer a call, though.

Edit 2: Eh, never mind. It's probably at least close, and it's possible a checkraise is best. It's an ususual spot, though, so checkraising shouldn't be your instinct here or anything.