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#21
06-21-2007, 11:27 PM
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Re: line check TPTK earlyish in $220 HUSNG
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call flop, get it in on a non-king turn. [/ QUOTE ] "this is the 1st level against between two players who don't know each other you tard, regardless of him thinking you are aggressive the 1st 3bet is usually still judged differently. It is a definite shove if there was 2 X a suit on board because then villain can actually beat a hand that you shove if he just has a K, but he is more likely to have a weak A there, and will probably lead around 50% of his remaining stack any non-king turn making him totally committed - also if he is bluffing we provide a 2nd opportunity. " I understand your POV, but given everything Hero has done so far he has a gross image and villain is going to get it in with a lot more stuff here than he should often. You think he's folding A9 to a shove here? He might get it in with worse aces and maybe even a king if we're lucky. A king turn is actually not a terrible card for us here, I'm more inclined to be worried about low cards pairing up his ace. I just think given the read and the way he has donked around against villain that he will get called way too light here to pass up the opportunity. And it's a non nutted hand that we're going to be shoving with little recourse if called, so if he folds here it's just another maniac looking move to tilt him and make him go in even wider next time. It's definitely not a an opinion worth calling somebody a tard over.... 
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#23
06-22-2007, 06:53 AM
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Re: line check TPTK earlyish in $220 HUSNG
if 120's gonna be a standard. cont. bet for u, I'd shove. If u bet 80, and he made it 220-330...I'd flat w/ every intention of raising allin on the turn.
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#24
06-22-2007, 02:23 PM
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Re: line check TPTK earlyish in $220 HUSNG
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[ QUOTE ] call flop, get it in on a non-king turn. [/ QUOTE ] A king turn is actually not a terrible card for us here, I'm more inclined to be worried about low cards pairing up his ace. [/ QUOTE ] its not that it is a bad card for us necessarily, its that it is a bad card for what our opponent can now beat if he believed that we had at least a piece on the flop.
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#25
06-22-2007, 02:38 PM
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Re: line check TPTK earlyish in $220 HUSNG
i would probably move in even without an agressive image going, because you raised preflop and got cr'ed on a board that nailed your starting button raising range. the hand is usually going to be over now whether you call or raise. if he's got a king, he's either going to give you credit for an ace or he's not, so i don't see any reason not to push. you're not going to get any more chips out of a worse hand that doesn't improve (or at least that same hand will call the push anyway), so why let a guy freeroll at a 5 outer?
i don't really understand the read either. you're on your 12th hand, villain has just over 1600 chips, and your read is "he's bad". what's that mean? i also don't understand wasting the AK in a previous hand. if the guy is bad, aren't your chances of getting his stack higher after the flop with a hand like that?
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#26
06-22-2007, 02:45 PM
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Re: line check TPTK earlyish in $220 HUSNG
Man, I don't understand what all the debate is about, you have a loose image so far, he is probably getting frusterated, has seen you overbet a HUGE amount w/that AK push, I think it's a clear shove, and if he does manage to get away from A8 - AT or whatever (im assuming he insta-calls w/AJ), then you'll be able to change gears and use this finalization of your image to your advantage the rest of the game (and have a solid 2:1 (ish) ) chip lead
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