one more river spot vs. 2p2er

[bigbabyjesus]

This might be the first hand I've read online where I'm actually curious as to the timing of your calls. If you called quickly on both streets it helps villian rule out a seven and put you on a Q.. people like to think they don't have these timing tells but they do. If you had a seven, you'd think about what to do on the turn and river for a few seconds (it's possible you did, though, and would actually make this an easier river fold.)

If you basically instacall his flop and turn bets it reps a Q everytime. Possible he is not thinking on this level but I think most people can put that together. It's close but I'd fold either way.

[tannenj]

fwiw, i can have a seven here very, very easily. at the time of the hand, though, i don't know how aware of this he was.

about timing tells: i probably called the flop and turn bets fairly quickly, but not instantly. maybe within 10-15 seconds of the bets? i am looking at the hh in pt and i didn't time bank, which i tend to do a lot, perhaps more than anyone else playing these games, heh. fwiw, the villain bet the flop and turn without much hesitation but requested time on the river before overbet shoving.

i am more than capable of calling quickly on the flop and turn with a seven and tend to be ultra-concerned with balancing issues like this, possibly even too concerned. again, it's impossible for me to know whether the villain knows this, and i should note that we've only played like 1500 hands or so together.

[bigbabyjesus]

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fwiw, i can have a seven here very, very easily. at the time of the hand, though, i don't know how aware of this he was.

about timing tells: i probably called the flop and turn bets fairly quickly, but not instantly. maybe within 10-15 seconds of the bets? i am looking at the hh in pt and i didn't time bank, which i tend to do a lot, perhaps more than anyone else playing these games, heh. fwiw, the villain bet the flop and turn without much hesitation but requested time on the river before overbet shoving.

i am more than capable of calling quickly on the flop and turn with a seven and tend to be ultra-concerned with balancing issues like this, possibly even too concerned. again, it's impossible for me to know whether the villain knows this, and i should note that we've only played like 1500 hands or so together.

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if you feel you are taking 10 seconds then certainly I wouldn't chalk that up to a quick call... it's more when someone calls within 1 or 2 seconds that you can almost always put them on something good but not great like top pair.

tough spot.. what'd you do?

[tannenj]

well, it's quick for me. i 8table and tend to play slowly.

i ended up folding, and in the flow of the game, i remember it being an easy fold. if the villain wants to pm me what he had, i'll post it.