Turned nuts - C/C on river best option?

[erocplayer]

$4.40/180
Villian in BB has repeatedly shown to be very loose (called one 24xBB All-in w/ J5o)
Button also has been loose, but not as much so as the BB.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button (t4037)
Hero (t2378)
BB (t5659)
UTG (t3250)
UTG+1 (t1240)
MP1 (t1570)
MP2 (t1315)
MP3 (t2880)
CO (t1156)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls t100, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls t100, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t400) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t400) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t400 <font color="brown">(IS THIS GOOD SIZE?) </font> </font>, BB calls t400, MP2 folds, Button calls t400.

River: (t1600) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero check/calls?

[early325]

fold pf

shove river

[erocplayer]

pf isn't in question, and i can't even tell if that's serious advice or not

[early325]

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pf isn't in question, and i can't even tell if that's serious advice or not

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i think 89o w/ 24BBs OOP is -EV to play, so i'm giving you that advice

lol, shove &gt; c/c &gt; c/f imo .. i guess you can give me reasons why you think i'd be joking though and i'd do my best to explain it to you

[hagbard celine]

I think he's serious. A leak of a lot of players is completing from the SB/calling raises from the BB because of the discount. You end up in a pretty big pot OOP. However, that's not your question.

With two people calling your pot on the turn--I would bet less, but not much less, like 300-350--I think that planning to c/c is prudent. You could also b/f.

[ZBTHorton]

Fold PF.

[Killingbird]

FOLD PF. Turn bet is fine. but check call river as played.

[hagbard celine]

Wow, I need to go to bed. I didn't even really look at the stack sizes.

By folding PF you never find yourself in the position to have to c/c a huge portion of your stack with what is possibly the second best hand.

[erocplayer]

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pf isn't in question, and i can't even tell if that's serious advice or not

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i think 89o w/ 24BBs OOP is -EV to play, so i'm giving you that advice

lol, shove &gt; c/c &gt; c/f imo .. i guess you can give me reasons why you think i'd be joking though and i'd do my best to explain it to you

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it's not b/c your advice was so ridiculous i thought you were joking, its just that when ppl DO joke on these forums they say just what you said. and you didnt give an explanation so i wasn't sure. lol

[erocplayer]

btw, i know that completing bets is not smart, but my logic (possibly flawed) was that loose players will pay off more than others if i could make a good hand, thus increasing my implied odds.

that used to be a huge leak of mine, now it's more under ocntrol although i still make justifications (like the one above) to do it sometimes