Not folding set here either? NL800

[Tumez]

Seat 1: Hero ($788.00)
Seat 3: arwas ($1563.90)
Seat 4: Villian ($1132.20)
Seat 5: -ALIAS- ($825.00)

Villian posts the big blind of $8.00
arwas posts the small blind of $4.00

Hero is the button

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]

-ALIAS- raises $32.00
Hero calls $32.00
arwas folds
Villian calls $32.00

*** FLOP *** [8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]

Villian checks
-ALIAS- bets $72.00
Hero calls $72.00
Villian calls $72.00

*** TURN *** [8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]

Villian checks
-ALIAS- checks
Hero bets $215.00
Villian calls $215.00
-ALIAS- folds

*** RIVER *** [8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] [7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]

Villian puts me AI. It´s 470:1216 or 2.6:1.

Villian is completely unknown. He called pretty fast on both streets. Do I have the odds to call?

[Phresh]

Terrible card. This line makes no sense for anything other than a draw.

[d2themfi]

with no reads I dont think I could fold this. It is certainly a bad card and completes the straight and Jx diamonds, but idk I think you are good here sometimes, it just really depends on the villain, and with no reads i dont think you can fold

[chef]

Bleh player dependant. Im betting more on the turn. Sometimes ill give them credit and fold if i havent seen them making too much trouble. No read first hand vs new player, think i fold.

[homeboy604]

3 bet pre, rr flop with no read. call river, but im not liking it.

[freekie]

i dont like RR pre

furthermore RAISE FLOP, end hand because you will be allin on turn

[Big_Jim]

Hand looks good, and I would fold river.

I just can't think of any hands he'd turn into a bluff here, besides, people don't often represent straights and backdoor flushes.

Raising the flop can be fine, but this is a pretty great spot to slowplay a little. With two left to act on a really dry board, anybody you can get to tag along is usually drawing dead, besides, you have two streets left, no need to rush it.

[FireStorm]

Raise the flop, slowplaying here sucks. I actually almost cried at reading the statement "anyone you can get to tag along is usually drawing dead", simple poker odds must have been reinvented overnight.

As played fold river, this is T9 or JdXd way too often.

[Phresh]

Also, if Villain has straight/flush, he played this in like, the worst possible way.

[spexel]

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Hand looks good, and I would fold river.

I just can't think of any hands he'd turn into a bluff here, besides, people don't often represent straights and backdoor flushes.

Raising the flop can be fine, but this is a pretty great spot to slowplay a little. With two left to act on a really dry board, anybody you can get to tag along is usually drawing dead, besides, you have two streets left, no need to rush it.

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