Tough spot with KK

[ALReturnsLOL]

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $8</font>, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $34</font>, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($137, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $78</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $156</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in $97</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB calls all-in $9</font>.


ok the bb cold caller was 18/6 utg was 19/16 and utg+1 was 30/14

[pineapple888]

IDK dude, a nit flat-calls your 3-bet as the fourth person in... gotta think QQ+, maybe AK... so looks pretty grim on that flop. Consider checking behind on the flop, if he has AK I'm gonna let him draw to his Ace I think. Fold to the flop check/raise. Reads can change all this of course.

[Double Eagle]

Please don't fold.

[ALReturnsLOL]

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[keikiwai]

what the hell is BB doing?

if he has AA or a set wouldn't he smooth call to entice the 2 players yet to act?

also your pussy bet may have got him to push w ??????

[ALReturnsLOL]

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[keikiwai]

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[ebalf]

Yeah, looks like a tought spot.
Assuming all 3 hold a PP (one maybe AA, but unlikely) and each PP is roughly 7.5:1 to flop a set you'll see a set almost half of the time.
137 in the pot, you've got 175left.

If you're willing to put it all in (and it looks like you were willing to do it), I suggest you go all-in right on the flop.
Reason: you could give everyone (including you) a free card, but if no one flopped a set this will reduce your chances of winning the pot (3:20 that they improve but only 1:20 that you improve).
So checking behind will only be better if no one flopped a set and someone will stab at the pot.

If you go all-in they might see it as a semi-bluff from AK and call. And there's even a small chance that someone lays down his bottom set or aces.

However - yeah, tought spot.
Any comments on my thoughts?

[pineapple888]

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what the hell is BB doing?

if he has AA or a set wouldn't he smooth call to entice the 2 players yet to act?

also your pussy bet may have got him to push w ??????

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what the hell is BB doing?

if he has AA or a set wouldn't he smooth call to entice the 2 players yet to act?

also your pussy bet may have got him to push w ??????

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[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] What entice, dude? This board is super-dry, nobody's enticing anything. He wants your money and of course you aren't folding here to a c/r, how could I even suggest such a thing? [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

AL, exactly what feedback are you looking for here? Please put him on some sort of reasonable range or give us a read that he's gonna be making a move here into three villains in a 3-bet pot with air.

[keikiwai]

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[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] What entice, dude? This board is super-dry, nobody's enticing anything. He wants your money and of course you aren't folding here to a c/r, how could I even suggest such a thing? [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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he's 100% folding out the other 2 players w/ a cr, look at relative positions... a cr is the opposite of trappy

a donk or a check call would be trappy... it's like he's generating max FE