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#1
07-26-2007, 04:28 AM
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2/4 in BB AQ facing a raise, deep!
villian is 22/14/2.6 after 380 hands
villian - button ($798 in chips) hero - BB ($4) ($802 in chips) Dealt to hero [Ac Qh] 3 Folds villian Raises to $14 sb Folds hero - Raises to $64 villian - Calls $50 *** FLOP *** [5c 8c Ah] hero - Bets $76 villian - Calls $76 *** TURN *** [5c 8c Ah] [5s] hero - Bets $188 villian - Calls $188 *** RIVER *** [5c 8c Ah 5s] [2h] hero - Checks villian - All-In $470 hero ? 
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#2
07-26-2007, 04:47 AM
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Re: 2/4 in BB AQ facing a raise, deep!
IMO:
anything less than an Ace would've folded on the turn, so you're up against *at least* a good ace. AQ or AK. maybe 88 or 55. Too many hands that beat you, only one split. I'd fold.
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#3
07-26-2007, 04:54 AM
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Re: 2/4 in BB AQ facing a raise, deep!
I hate donk betting this flop, as played, AHHH clubs missed, board is paired, I just cant analyze the hand without more history. Do you donk alot in RR pots, how does he respond? could he believe you had clubs / SF type draw that missed?
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#4
07-26-2007, 05:16 AM
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Re: 2/4 in BB AQ facing a raise, deep!
[ QUOTE ]
I hate donk betting this flop, as played, AHHH clubs missed, board is paired, I just cant analyze the hand without more history. Do you donk alot in RR pots, how does he respond? could he believe you had clubs / SF type draw that missed? [/ QUOTE ] Reread the HH, Hero isn't donking into the pf raiser, he is the pf raiser. As for the hand, this spot seems super read dependant. He's obviously never value betting worse, so all you can beat is a missed draw, and in order to call this I'd need to have some sort of read that he calls 3 bets light in position. Without reads I probably puke and fold.
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#5
07-26-2007, 08:13 AM
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Re: 2/4 in BB AQ facing a raise, deep!
does anyone like a flatcall preflop? should i make a bigger bet on the flop?, check turn? bet river, etc?
I really hate reraising out of position and just prefer pot control when its 200bb deep. In the past i tried being more aggressive oop with these sorts of hands as it seems to be the 2+2 standard line, but i just feel like i get better results going for decption and pot control, etc. Only read i have is that he has the aggression factor that makes me think a bluff would be reasonable, but not the call on the turn to get there. How terrible is just a preflop flat call?
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#6
07-26-2007, 08:19 AM
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Re: 2/4 in BB AQ facing a raise, deep!
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] I hate donk betting this flop, as played, AHHH clubs missed, board is paired, I just cant analyze the hand without more history. Do you donk alot in RR pots, how does he respond? could he believe you had clubs / SF type draw that missed? [/ QUOTE ] Reread the HH, Hero isn't donking into the pf raiser, he is the pf raiser. As for the hand, this spot seems super read dependant. He's obviously never value betting worse, so all you can beat is a missed draw, and in order to call this I'd need to have some sort of read that he calls 3 bets light in position. Without reads I probably puke and fold. [/ QUOTE ] id think its more likely he has a missed draw and called a 3bet light than he has 88/AK/AA/55. id definitely call river, but probably c/r turn.
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#8
07-26-2007, 11:04 AM
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Re: 2/4 in BB AQ facing a raise, deep!
i'd fold vs a tag
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#10
07-27-2007, 03:38 PM
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Re: 2/4 in BB AQ facing a raise, deep!
I expected more of the longtimers to say fold the river and newer players to say call. As it turned out the mob in general says fold but the 2 veterans say call. I expected more consensus on this. A few more posts/votes please? or any explanation why mob voted for a fold and experience voted for a call?
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