NPL 2.5k @ Venetian, TV Table / Money bubble w/ TT

[BKiCe]

given the 99 hand from the sb where he completed and then reraised hero's bb raise, isn't three betting to like 9.5k (giving him room to shove his ATC) and snap calling his shove significantly better than outright shoving?

[TheNewf]

I just shove, I think it gets less respect here given history and avoids stupid flop scenarios. edit: he doesn't understand restealing theory probably and just sees this as another all-in from the crazy internet kid, even though for 30xBB you obv have a hand

[FatalError]

i shoved, BB woke up with KK gg

I hated shoving on the ride home but i'm ok with it now, i do think there is a lot of merit to flatting but maybe not against toto who honestly plays very well postflop

[dankhank]

i don't understand why 3-betting to 9k and then folding to a push is so bad. the only hand toto pushes that we aren't behind, is AK, plus the rare occasion when he makes a move with 98s or AJ or something. also if you can't get any read on toto when he pushes as to whether he has AA-KK or AK or 98s, then good for toto, and bad for you.

i read somewhere on this forum just the other day how someone "ran the numbers" and said it was barely okay to 3-bet AQ for 1/3rd your stack and fold to re-raise.

pushing allin-in with TT here, you trap yourself if someone has a monster. i like to think i play good enough where i'm trying to avoid traps when i have a viable stack.

[curtains]

Why is everyone guessing. We don't even know the exact prize structure? Almost every single response didn't do any math at all when in reality this is almost purely a math problem. It's 100% certainty that pushing allin is +CeV (I've already done the math on this, it isn't even close against his likely opening range), we just have to determine whether it's more +EV than calling or do some kind of ICM calculations to determine whether pushing is correct against UTG's raising range.

Anyway I don't know the exact prize structure so I didn't even bother trying. The more top heavy it is, the better pushing will be. The flatter it is, the worse pushing will be.

[KingDan]

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The more top heavy it is, the better pushing will be. The flatter it is, the worse pushing will be.

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I think if its top-heavy I like calling more then shoving.

[curtains]

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The more top heavy it is, the better pushing will be. The flatter it is, the worse pushing will be.

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I think if its top-heavy I like calling more then shoving.

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All Im saying is that risking your tournament life is worse when it's important not to bubble. Shoving risks it, calling doesn't.

To clarify, our chances of getting eliminated from the tournament on this specific hand, are almost always greater if we move allin as opposed to call. If it's important to hang around to get 5th place due to prize structure considerations, then this is something that should be taken into account. If it's less important to finish 5th place because all of the money is at the top, then this is less important to consider.

[NHFunkii]

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