Pot awarded after defective deck found - Page 2

bav · #1 08-20-2006, 10:44 PM

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Mike Matt's told me about this incident this afternoon

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Say what? I thought he was at MGM. How does he know about this incident?

But for me, I'm happy to close it and let it lie. Bally's rule book and Robert's Rules both seem to support that you let stand the results of playing with a 51-card deck. I got bad beaten for a $500 pot by a 2 out of 45 outter instead of what would have been a 2 out of 46er. Not a problem long as the rules also state that this is the case.

RR · #2 08-21-2006, 12:22 AM

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Mike Matt's told me about this incident this afternoon

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Say what? I thought he was at MGM. How does he know about this incident?

But for me, I'm happy to close it and let it lie. Bally's rule book and Robert's Rules both seem to support that you let stand the results of playing with a 51-card deck. I got bad beaten for a $500 pot by a 2 out of 45 outter instead of what would have been a 2 out of 46er. Not a problem long as the rules also state that this is the case.

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The results of a short deck should stand. The reason is a less than ethical player could lose a card on the floor. He can now freeroll the game by noticing the card on the floor if it gives him back his money.

VORP · #3 08-21-2006, 12:42 AM

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Mike Matt's told me about this incident this afternoon

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Say what? I thought he was at MGM. How does he know about this incident?

But for me, I'm happy to close it and let it lie. Bally's rule book and Robert's Rules both seem to support that you let stand the results of playing with a 51-card deck. I got bad beaten for a $500 pot by a 2 out of 45 outter instead of what would have been a 2 out of 46er. Not a problem long as the rules also state that this is the case.

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Yea, I work with him at MGM (or did, today was my last day). Word can travel around town pretty fast at times. I've heard about a number of incidents from people at work and then seen the a thread show up here on it a day or two later.

Randy: I could be wrong but I had thought that the gaming regulations in NV stated that any fouled deck nullified the hand, without exception. I don't know where I could double check that, but it's what I've been told in the past.

RR · #4 08-21-2006, 08:18 AM

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Randy: I could be wrong but I had thought that the gaming regulations in NV stated that any fouled deck nullified the hand, without exception. I don't know where I could double check that, but it's what I've been told in the past.

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I have a copy of them, I will dig them out sometime in the next week and read them to see if it is addressed.

VarlosZ · #5 08-21-2006, 09:14 AM

Wait, if a deck with an improper number of cards is not "fouled," then what is? I deck that someone peed all over? I don't get it.

Mygtar · #6 08-21-2006, 10:18 AM

Note self, stay out of Harrah's casinos.

canada_dry · #7 08-21-2006, 11:58 AM

F*** Bally's.

DO NOT PLAY THERE. It's a cheezy casino anyhow. Far better casinos to play poker in.

F*** them.

And yes, make a stink. Make a complaint.

It's frustrating I know. Makes you want to punch this f**** in the head.

wiper · #8 08-21-2006, 12:28 PM

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Makes you want to punch this f**** in the head.

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yep.

if this were to happen to me the exact same way, after all of my verbal avenues were closed, i'd have a very hard time not walking over to the floor and/or casino manager and challenging them to a duel, so to speak.

i realize and physical contact and i'm probably going to see the inside of a vegas jail, but at that point, i'm probably mad enough not to care, especially because i TOLD the floor what the deal was, and he didn't either care, or listen..

pokerfloor · #9 08-21-2006, 06:33 PM

Roberts rules say "if one or two cards are missing from the deck does not invalidate the hand"
which I was suprised to read after looking it up

bav · #10 08-22-2006, 05:12 AM

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Roberts rules say "if one or two cards are missing from the deck does not invalidate the hand"
which I was suprised to read after looking it up

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I was surprised as well (obviously). I thought I knew da rule.

I've told my tale in person to a couple floor people and about 6 dealers. Not a one knew that the results from a 51-card deck stand. To a person, they all said that the bets should have all been backed out. So it's a pretty obscure rule which doesn't come up very often.

But ya gotta agree with Randy's rationalization for the results from 51 cards standing. It's too easy for a player to stuff a card under the rail or otherwise dispose of a card and then use that a few minutes later if he's about to lose a big pot.

I remain ok with losing that pot, but annoyed with how the floor and mostly the casino manager handled it. But my annoyance with said people isn't an issue for Gaming. I'll forgive the floor--he's young and new and will get better, and he was apologetic about it all after we read the rule book and thought we had proof he'd goofed. Casino manager is old and experienced and should know better.