Live 20/40 Middle set, and lots of action...

[Garland]

Location: Casino Arizona in Scottsdale, AZ
Stakes: $20/$40
Players: Tight aggressive game. It’s fairly tight, although there are some weak spots. A super lag, but not a maniac is on the table…and he is playing a lot more hands than can possibly be profitable, but he is somehow up like 4 or 5 racks. I can only give it a poor ** of 5 stars. To be honest, I’m only playing to chat/play with Howard Beale. It’s chopping much too much for my tastes. In general only 2 or 3 to the flop.

Principal players:

BB – 30s white guy. He’s the super lag in this hand. Examples of how he plays:
(a) He’s 3-bet K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] pre-flop.
(b) He limped UTG with 98o and called a raise by Howard Beale in EP along with like 4 other cold-callers to see a flop of 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. He bets into the field with top pair and practically begs Howard to clear the field with a raise. When an 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] comes on the turn and SB donked out the obvious flush, he raised the two pair regardless of the flush that’s represented.
(c)When there was a loose raise from EP, and he called two-cold with his K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Then I 3-bet with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] from the BB. On the flop of Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], I bet, was raised by EP with A7o, and then he 3-bet his draw. So yeah, he’ll pump his draws.
(d) I raised from HJ with QQ, and get 3-bet by a strong aggressive older woman player (she is actually a poker host in Casino Arizona) in SB. Super lag in BB calls what he thought was just a single raise, but is then forced to put in 3. And then I cap it and he’s forced to put in 4 along with SB. The flop comes 974 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB checks, Super lag bets, I raise, SB folds, super lag 3-bets and I call. Turn is an offsuit 8, and he check-calls me. River is a blank, and he check-calls me again and I win.

MP – Me. (My stack is approximately $700 to start the hand)

Button – Passive weak loose player.

Preflop: (1.5 small bets, 9 players)

I raise in MP with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and am called by button. SB folds and BB looks at his cards and throws in 4 chips casually.

Flop: (6.5 small bets, 3 players) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] BB leads, I raise, Button calls 2 cold, BB 3-bets, I 4-bet, Button scrams, BB 5-bets, I 6-bet, BB 7-bets…

How far should this go?

Garland

[StrictlyStrategy]

Uh I saw super lag and was like "keep raising" then I read the hands and this guy definitely doesn't seem super laggy at all and I think you've put in the appropriate action here to just call down.

Given that you've just called with 2nd nuts on the flop I really don't think there are any rivers you can raise short of a 9.

[that_pope]

Going two or three bets on a street is far far different than going 7...although I know the results of the hand, I couldn't fathom going multiple bets on another street unless he shows weakness somehow.

As for your description of the poker host, I find her neither of these things. I think she is a fairly predictable player and easy to steal from, and she is welcome in my game anyday because she will rarely play back at me, and she finds odd spots to play back that are usually when she isn't ahead.

Like when I raised in 2nd position with Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] with one or two walkers, and she cold called behind me, and instantly mucked her pocket pair on a AKx flop, no imagination whatsoever. She floats that flop, and I am almost forced to check the turn, and she wins...

[NinaWilliams]

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Like when I raised in 2nd position with Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] with one or two walkers, and she cold called behind me, and instantly mucked her pocket pair on a AKx flop, no imagination whatsoever. She floats that flop, and I am almost forced to check the turn, and she wins...

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whats wrong with this? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] If I posted in late pos with 55 and called your raise, id play it the same way.

[that_pope]

I guess it keeps you out of trouble, but it seems to be giving up too easily for 1 bet when you already called 2 cold in a heads up pot with a marginal hand. My game is a lot higher variance, but I never fold a pair on the flop heads up, I let my opponent give me a chance to win the pot, not fold in a spot my opponent will bet close to 100% of the time.

[LukeSLTS]

I think 7bets is sufficient here. I am not sure the examples you gave indicate a super LAG. Call down from here. I guess AA, KK, TT, QJ of spades, and the nut flush draw are all still possibilities.

[JJH3984]

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I guess it keeps you out of trouble, but it seems to be giving up too easily for 1 bet when you already called 2 cold in a heads up pot with a marginal hand. My game is a lot higher variance, but I never fold a pair on the flop heads up, I let my opponent give me a chance to win the pot, not fold in a spot my opponent will bet close to 100% of the time.

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So if somehow you found yourself cold calling OTB with 55 after a TAG raised UTG+1, you'd continue on a AKx flop? Really????? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

It doesn't matter if he bets 100% of the time cuz his range is so far ahead of yours at this point.

[that_pope]

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I guess it keeps you out of trouble, but it seems to be giving up too easily for 1 bet when you already called 2 cold in a heads up pot with a marginal hand. My game is a lot higher variance, but I never fold a pair on the flop heads up, I let my opponent give me a chance to win the pot, not fold in a spot my opponent will bet close to 100% of the time.

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So if somehow you found yourself cold calling OTB with 55 after a TAG raised UTG+1, you'd continue on a AKx flop? Really????? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

It doesn't matter if he bets 100% of the time cuz his range is so far ahead of yours at this point.

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I wouldn't get in that spot preflop...but if you are, why not give yourself a chance to outplay his QQ or JJ when he checks the turn...

[jeffnc]

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Like when I raised in 2nd position with Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] with one or two walkers, and she cold called behind me, and instantly mucked her pocket pair on a AKx flop, no imagination whatsoever.

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Big deal. As if she knew you had Q high.

[bugstud]

yeah this whole thread makes my head explode