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#21
08-21-2007, 05:33 AM
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Re: winrates playing live?
Please be wary because there's a selection bias issue that causes players who don't know how good they're running over the last year or two to respond in these winrate threads.
-Michael 
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#22
08-21-2007, 11:55 AM
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Re: winrates playing live?
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Please be wary because there's a selection bias issue that causes players who don't know how good they're running over the last year or two to respond in these winrate threads. -Michael [/ QUOTE ] This is also why we usually move them out of B&M before they get started, the answers are often sub-par results oriented responses, it takes a long time for live win-rates to converge. In general win rate theory is the same for both online and live, the thought process doesn't deviate so these threads get moved to either the theory forum or the beginners forum... but this specific thread I thought it was best to lets remain in B&M since it got so many responses before I found out it existed so if anyone was wondering why its still here, now you know [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#23
08-21-2007, 01:11 PM
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Re: winrates playing live?
.............and knowing is half the battle.
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#24
08-21-2007, 02:59 PM
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Re: standard deviation playing live?
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If you've only left the table 2x in the last 3 years then you may not be selecting your tables well enough or perhaps you aren't taking enough advantage of the tight players. I left the table 3x just last week because it was too tight and I put in around 30 hours live/week [/ QUOTE ] u certainly have a point on the changing tables more often to move to a softer game. i've gotten used to not movin @ all unless i'm gettin outplayed but i can definitely try movin to a softer table where i can prolly make more $. i'll try that asap. thx 4 da pointer.
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#25
08-21-2007, 06:47 PM
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Re: standard deviation playing live?
Playing 1/2 NL in AC 3 times a month since May. First time ever playing live was in May, was a winning 50NL online player. First 5 trips I learned the game and averaged 100 dollars a trip total profit. Averaged about 15 hours at the table. Played Tag with weak tight tendencies while learning. Adjusted to play looser with the donks once I was comfortable. Since July 1st my last 5 trips have been.
7/3-7/4 + 800 20 hours of play 7/7-7/8 + 800 17 hours of play 7/13-7/14 - 600 18 hours of play 7/22-7/23 + 800 19 hours of play 8/10-8/11 + 500 16 hours of play 8/17-8/18 + 1100 22 hours of play All while playing 1/2 NL. Take it for what it is worth. Played 85% of the hours at Borgata and about 15 % at Caesars. Averaging about 30 dollars an hour. I practice game selection by only playing Fridays and Saturdays and waiting for the drunks. Hard to gauge my luck etc. but I have only sucked out with under 10 outs twice. ( both on my last trip where I was + 1100 ) Opponents suck out on me at what seems to be the right rate. ( about half the time they hit their flushes ) You can buy in for 300 and thusly why a higher rate can be achieved. Average stack at a table is usually around 500. Oh I guess this is now a brag post. Feel free to move to BBV. Since this is only about 3000-3500 hands worth maybe I'm just a luckbox. - Mandor_TFL
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#26
08-21-2007, 10:20 PM
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Re: standard deviation playing live?
I have a $15 an hour winrate at 1/2 over 180 hours of play in about 18 months. I would wager my rate within the last six months is several dollars an hour higher, as I've gotten better and practiced more table selection. Probably closed tgo $20
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#27
08-21-2007, 11:25 PM
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Re: standard deviation playing live?
[ QUOTE ]
Playing 1/2 NL in AC 3 times a month since May. First time ever playing live was in May, was a winning 50NL online player. First 5 trips I learned the game and averaged 100 dollars a trip total profit. Averaged about 15 hours at the table. Played Tag with weak tight tendencies while learning. Adjusted to play looser with the donks once I was comfortable. Since July 1st my last 5 trips have been. 7/3-7/4 + 800 20 hours of play 7/7-7/8 + 800 17 hours of play 7/13-7/14 - 600 18 hours of play 7/22-7/23 + 800 19 hours of play 8/10-8/11 + 500 16 hours of play 8/17-8/18 + 1100 22 hours of play All while playing 1/2 NL. Take it for what it is worth. Played 85% of the hours at Borgata and about 15 % at Caesars. Averaging about 30 dollars an hour. I practice game selection by only playing Fridays and Saturdays and waiting for the drunks. Hard to gauge my luck etc. but I have only sucked out with under 10 outs twice. ( both on my last trip where I was + 1100 ) Opponents suck out on me at what seems to be the right rate. ( about half the time they hit their flushes ) You can buy in for 300 and thusly why a higher rate can be achieved. Average stack at a table is usually around 500. Oh I guess this is now a brag post. Feel free to move to BBV. Since this is only about 3000-3500 hands worth maybe I'm just a luckbox. - Mandor_TFL [/ QUOTE ] 120 or so hours over 12 days is meaningless.
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#28
08-21-2007, 11:51 PM
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Re: standard deviation playing live?
So how many hours would be enough for live play?
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#30
08-22-2007, 01:59 AM
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Re: winrates playing live?
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[ QUOTE ] $14-28 is doable indeed. Even higher is possible as well [/ QUOTE ] Can someone point me towards a pokertracker screen shot where the player achieved 42bb/100 over a signifgant sample. Thanks. [/ QUOTE ] Live is much, much easier than online, and the preflop raises are generally larger (5x or 6x, and in some games 10+x) making it play like a bigger game with higher possible winrates. Also, straddlers can increase your winrate. I don't think $28 an hour is possible in an average 1/2, but it is definetly possible in a crazy game
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