QQ nl50 bet river?? - Page 2

bsball8806 · #11 10-29-2007, 02:51 PM

I can't see him checking any A on the river, however weak it may be. The line WE'VE taken is one of weakness, so if he has an A, it's him that's gonna be trying to extract value from KK, QQ, JJ, and a 10.

kurto · #12 10-29-2007, 02:58 PM

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I can't see him checking any A on the river, however weak it may be. The line WE'VE taken is one of weakness, so if he has an A, it's him that's gonna be trying to extract value from KK, QQ, JJ, and a 10.

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If he has an Ace rag, he's not going to bet it because any under pair should fold and any better ace will call. Betting a weak ace (unless up against a total calling station) is not good.

Shaver67 · #13 10-29-2007, 03:03 PM

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I can't see him checking any A on the river, however weak it may be. The line WE'VE taken is one of weakness, so if he has an A, it's him that's gonna be trying to extract value from KK, QQ, JJ, and a 10.

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If he has an Ace rag, he's not going to bet it because any under pair should fold and any better ace will call. Betting a weak ace (unless up against a total calling station) is not good.

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Agreed.

And Axs is at least (or more) likely to call OOP pf than KT/QT- also JJ will 3-bet alot pf making it less likely.

You're No Daisy · #14 10-29-2007, 03:05 PM

Shouldn' we be looking at villain's aggression factor here? It very high and he's checking the turn and river. He doesn't have an ace or KK (he would have re-raised PF with KK). I'm value betting the river here. A villain with an AF of 5 is not checking the turn and river with a made hand.

AC

Profish2285 · #15 10-29-2007, 03:06 PM

Checking here is horrible, we are leaving so much money on table by doing this consistently.

IAGTTAYM · #16 10-29-2007, 03:09 PM

It depends on my image, but I would most of the time bet something like 6.5.

bsball8806 · #17 10-29-2007, 03:27 PM

I really don't think he has an A here. There's only one A left in the entire deck, do you really think he's planning on c/c the entire way?

That being said, we need to value bet this hand, it's so much more likely he calls with a mid PP or a 10. If you think that he is capable of checking a weak A on the river in case he's beaten, I don't think he's bluff raising us on the river with a mid pair.

wslee00 · #18 10-29-2007, 03:33 PM

pro, i disagree on your assessment on villain playing trip aces badly in this situation

however, his range is much wider than just an ace and is in fact more likely a T so I go ahead and bet here.

Hail Eris · #19 10-29-2007, 03:39 PM

$1 BB? Does that mean you're playing half-stacked and minraised preflop?

Easy bet on the river in that case, since he has way more Ts in his range than he would after coldcalling a normal raise OOP.

kurto · #20 10-29-2007, 03:43 PM

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pro, i disagree on your assessment on villain playing trip aces badly in this situation

however, his range is much wider than just an ace and is in fact more likely a T so I go ahead and bet here.

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but no one is putting the villain on a realistic hand range. 12/8 is pretty darn tight for 6 max. If the person has some positional awareness, he's folding the widest part of his range here.

(1) I don't see that many hands a tight player calls OOP with that have a ten in it.
(2) I don't see most TAGs planning on calling down with middle pair

MAYBE if the OP has been getting out of line and raising like a maniac, then Villain may be calling down to light. But if all I have to go on is his stats, then its going to be a fluke if villain calls 2 streets with a pair weaker then ours.

How many people here play as tight as the villain? If you do, please list the kinds of hands you've calling preflop here. And, are you planning on calling down those hands with mid pairs?