Poker is Luck

[Orlando Salazar]

First thing, poker IS game of chance, especially when experienced players go head to head. The person who gets the most setup hands and trapping opportunities will win, even if he's a slightly worse player. CTS has admitted to having 30 bi downswings and running hot over 100k hands, which is more hands than most people will ever play in their life. Yes, over 200k hands, you can def be sure that if someone is up $, that they are good relative to their competition. But the that is not the point. We have a right to gamble because it doesn't infringe on another persons OPPORTUNITY to pursue life liberty and happiness. Poker is still a luck game for most people. Lets not lie to get what we want. Lets be honest and say we have a right to play poker just like we have a right to free speech (used to at least).

[jschell]

Over the long run, poker is a game of skill. Period.

In the short term, poker is mostly chance. What you're talking about in your examples is the short term.

Yes, we should be able to play poker because we are adults and should be able to choose what we do with our money, but poker is also a game of skill (in the long run).

[FatalError]

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[Orlando Salazar]

if you read, I said most people will never see the long run...its quite true.

[Grasshopp3r]

Most people will never win at a lot of things, poker included. Please either acknowledge that short term and long term skill vs. luck is an accepted and tested theory or put your own explanation forward. So far, you seem to be confused on some of the concepts.

The title of your thread should be "Poker is free speech", which I think was where you were going.

[jschell]

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if you read, I said most people will never see the long run...its quite true.

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That does not affect whether or not poker is a game of skill.

We're all playing the same game. Poker can't be a game of skill for some people and a game of chance for others.

[Orlando Salazar]

I wanted the title to attract attention. I do acknowledge skill wins out if you read my post. But 100k hands is not the long term. Most people will never even play that many hands. So, over the term of the average player's poker life, luck will dominate. If I were a judge, I'd say poker is effectively a luck game for even a knowledgable and skilled player over the short term. 2+2ers who play 400k hands or more a year don't represent the average player.

[mungpo]

You are saying that it is a luck game but can be a skilled game if you play a lot of hands and make good decisions. Sounds like any professional sport.

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[Orlando Salazar]

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You are saying that it is a luck game but can be a skilled game if you play a lot of hands and make good decisions. Sounds like any professional sport.

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Yup. But should we make legal arguments weighted skill (which takes a while to show) or constitutional rights? I say NEITHER cause this country has gone to hell and our constitution is for sale.