Barry Bonds indicted

[Mondogarage]

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So the fact that the govt. spent millions of taxpayers money and after 4+ years finally reached an indictment after 3+ tries(my numbers could be off), you would rate that as a plus to your argument?

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I have no problem with the resources used in this case. Steroids are dangerous to young people and lying to the grand jury in a criminal investigation is a serious crime. The attention this case will get and the possible deterrent it will be (particularly if there is a conviction) on both steroids use and care-free perjury make it worth every penny.

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how [censored] naive are you?

barry bonds isn't getting busted cuz he used steroids, he's getting busted cuz he lied.


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Right. I think I said that. How [censored] illiterate are you?

Of course the Bonds story sends a mixed message on steroids, but a conviction, a few months in jail and one of the best players in baseball shunned by MLB and the HOF as a cheater is an appropriate ending to the tale.

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A few months in jail? Bonds is facing 30 years. After lying to the feds, do you really think they will plea bargain and let him spend 3 or 4 months in the can? LOL.

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Actually, yes.

Three words: Federal Sentencing Guidelines

[RedBean]

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Okay: Maybe someone more well-versed in criminal law can weigh in here, but consider this:

1. The real issue here is whether Bonds lied. As I see it, there is no count in the indictment for actually taking steriods or HGH, or any PED.
2. If Bonds pleads "no contest" that has the legal effect of accepting a conviction, but that it cannot be used for a collateral purpose.
3. The only thing baseball would have against Bonds is that he pleaded no contest to perjury, etc. Otherwise, the issue of whether Bonds "cheated" has never been adjudicated in any venue where baseball has jurisdiction to claim Bonds cheated.
4. This means that baseball would have no basis for touching any of Bonds' records because he is, and never will be (at least absent any further proceedings) found a cheater.

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Two points....

1. the CBA covers nolo pleas, thus it would be treated the same as a conviction.

2. MLB doesn't need anything from anybody to mess with records or stats. They are the sole property of MLB and are not covered by the player agreement.

Selig could hit the reset button tomorrow and wipe everything from all time out if he really wanted, and the MLBPA couldn't do anything but bitch.

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You can win without Barry Bonds, as evidenced by the fact that he's never won a World Series ring.

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[RedBean]

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Barry Bonds when healthy was the best hitter in baseball last year.

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Bonds led the majors with a .353 EqA.

The last person to have a better EqA, not named Bonds?

Albert Pujols, four years ago in 2003, with a .362.

[vhawk01]

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the federal government doesn't have anything approaching sufficient evidence to convict bonds. are you [censored] kidding me? why would they have kept his trainer in jail all that time trying to get him to crack? do you really think bonds didn't talk to his lawyer before he testified and say, "if they decide to try and prosecute me for this, will it stick? is this perjury?" does anyone REALLY think these charges are legit?

if you do please PM me with your screen name so i can change your title to 'dumbest [censored] hick ever'

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It's good to know that you are aware of what evidence and testimonies the prosecution possesses. Indictments don't come lightly. I would be surprised if they do not have a very good case.

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The problem with this is that there is only possible outcome that would be more catastrophic for the DoJ than failing to convict Bonds of all of this perjury and obstruction.

And that is failing to even indict him after 4 years and all this money and effort. There was pretty much NO WAY they would fail to push for an indictment, regardless of how much evidence they had, unless the grand jury itself decided it wasnt enough. But the standard to indict is pretty light, especially compared to the standard to convict. IOW, there was NO WAY the DoJ could have dropped this, regardless of what they thought their chances were.

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Sorry, but in the grand scheme of things, perjury, steroid use and tax evasion are really low on my list of things "bad people" do.

Maybe you just missed it, but when they were divorced, these are some of the things Tonya accused Kirby of:

Threatening to kill her.
Choking her with a cord.
Putting a gun in her face.

Other stuff:

Laura Nygren, whom SI describes as Puckett's "mistress of many years," told the magazine that Puckett resumed an affair with her just seven weeks after he was married in 1986 -- then cheated on Nygren with numerous other women

Anyway, the mistress of many years says that when Puckett couldn't play baseball anymore, "he started to become full of himself and very abusive." He began to perform lewd acts in public, such as going to a fancy shopping center, parking there, then opening his car door and stepping out and peeing in plain view of other people (Twins fans presumably included). ...

Laura Nygren, the other woman, says that Puckett often spoke resentfully about having to visit children in order to bulwark his image. "He always said how much he hated going to the hospitals," Nygren says. "He became more [vocal] about how much he hated it after he retired, but he always said he hated it."

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You can win without Barry Bonds, as evidenced by the fact that he's never won a World Series ring.

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bwhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahah

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See above post making sure that bit of sarcasm wasn't obvious enough. I'm not up on my smiley use.

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And that is failing to even indict him after 4 years and all this money and effort. There was pretty much NO WAY they would fail to push for an indictment, regardless of how much evidence they had, unless the grand jury itself decided it wasnt enough.

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KTVU reported is was one of the longest federal grand jury investigations in Northern California history.

The Baltimore Sun contrasted the length and return on investment to the GJ investigation into abusive priests, in a pretty interesting article.

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The longest-running grand jury investigation into clerical abuse ran for three years. It revealed hundreds of children had been abused by 63 priests over a 35-year period.

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[Mondogarage]

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Sorry, but in the grand scheme of things, perjury, steroid use and tax evasion are really low on my list of things "bad people" do.

Maybe you just missed it, but when they were divorced, these are some of the things Tonya accused Kirby of:

Threatening to kill her.
Choking her with a cord.
Putting a gun in her face.

Other stuff:

Laura Nygren, whom SI describes as Puckett's "mistress of many years," told the magazine that Puckett resumed an affair with her just seven weeks after he was married in 1986 -- then cheated on Nygren with numerous other women

Anyway, the mistress of many years says that when Puckett couldn't play baseball anymore, "he started to become full of himself and very abusive." He began to perform lewd acts in public, such as going to a fancy shopping center, parking there, then opening his car door and stepping out and peeing in plain view of other people (Twins fans presumably included). ...

Laura Nygren, the other woman, says that Puckett often spoke resentfully about having to visit children in order to bulwark his image. "He always said how much he hated going to the hospitals," Nygren says. "He became more [vocal] about how much he hated it after he retired, but he always said he hated it."

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I don't disagree with any of that, however, "all signs" point to both of them being much bigger douchebags than anyone who hasn't committed any of the crimes of either of them.

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Admittedly, I didn't watch him at all last year. But isn't it true that he's basically limited to DH now? If so, would you really expect his production to be better than the average DH?

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Uhh, yeah, I would expect his production to be awesome compared to most DHs actually, and he'd probably be better than last year because he doesn't have to wear himself out playing the field. Even if he hit a little worse and missed some time he'd still be a stud. Have you looked at who some teams start at DH these days?