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11-13-2007, 07:10 PM
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Re: Nl3/6 I hate you. I really do
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[ QUOTE ] I think villain's Betting range > calling range. (assuming OP's image is standard) [/ QUOTE ] are you fking kidding me?? [/ QUOTE ] What do you expect to be villain's calling range on the river? 
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#22
11-13-2007, 07:14 PM
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Re: Nl3/6 I hate you. I really do
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[ QUOTE ] Generally in a spot like this, you can't bet the river if you can't fold to a raise. [/ QUOTE ] see previous post [/ QUOTE ] well motivated post sir... I was trying to say that bet/calling this river isn't a profitable play assuming there's no history. Interested in hearing from you why that's way off or whatever...
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#23
11-13-2007, 07:18 PM
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Re: Nl3/6 I hate you. I really do
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think villain's Betting range > calling range. (assuming OP's image is standard) [/ QUOTE ] are you fking kidding me?? [/ QUOTE ] What do you expect to be villain's calling range on the river? [/ QUOTE ] qx jj tt??? I would have bet a little more on the river, like 290 or 310. Thoughts on that anyone?
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#24
11-13-2007, 07:26 PM
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Re: Nl3/6 I hate you. I really do
i dunno, i don't think Qx or JJ or TT should really be paying off what seems like an obvious value bet on the river... hero probably isn't 3-barrelling this board very often and he's not value betting less than like KQ either. seems to me like raising might be better than calling with those hands... i think there's more to this hand than meets the eye.
i would have definitely bet more on the river.
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#26
11-13-2007, 07:40 PM
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Re: Nl3/6 I hate you. I really do
maybe i'm way off but the $260 on the river just looks like going for pure value to me. which i suppose could make it a good amount to bluff with...
i don't know anymore oh right, i guess i shouldn't have said "this board"
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#28
11-13-2007, 08:07 PM
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Re: Nl3/6 I hate you. I really do
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i dunno, i don't think Qx or JJ or TT should really be paying off what seems like an obvious value bet on the river... hero probably isn't 3-barrelling this board very often and he's not value betting less than like KQ either. seems to me like raising might be better than calling with those hands... i think there's more to this hand than meets the eye. i would have definitely bet more on the river. [/ QUOTE ] I agree. If you bet the river, you have to bet more.
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#30
11-13-2007, 10:02 PM
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Re: Nl3/6 I hate you. I really do
first of all his hand range consists almost entirely of made hands w/ some showdown value. how would his betting range EVER be greater than his calling range? now you are saying he's folding Qx/jj-tt, so your statement implies he will fold them to a bet but bet them when checked to? that is nonsensical to me.
as for the other part i quoted... in a vacuum 3 contingencies are possible if we bet the river: 1. bet/folding is the best move. 2. we bet and have to flip a coin. 3. bet/calling is the best move. your post says that unless betting leads to situation 1 we shouldn't do it. if bet/calling is profitable, why wouldn't we do it? moreover, even getting ourselves stuck in situation 2 isn't bad assuming it doesn't happen often enough to overshadow the times we get called by a worse hand on the river.
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