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Old 04-25-2007, 04:14 PM
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Default KK (with re-draw) vs. a possible made straight or flush

20/180 - Villian is a loose donk who has called large raises and cold called re-raises with very vulnerable hands (i.e. KQs) and will chase a draw. Doesn't mean he necessarily has one here, but his flop call was pretty fast. Note: I have Kd

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed)

SB (t1595)
Hero (t2585)
UTG (t7505)
UTG+1 (t1825)
MP1 (t1900)
MP2 (t3525)
MP3 (t1305)
CO (t3900)
Button (t3085)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, CO calls t50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t250</font>, CO calls t200.

Flop: (t525) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t300</font>, CO calls t300.

Turn: (t1125) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Hero: ?

I've already decided my flop bet is too small because I need to be charging a player like this the maximum since he is likely calling, but I was trying to control the pot size.

But I'm really wanting feedback on the turn play in this hand and other situations where possible draws are made.

A check here gets bluffed at often. A small bet will be perceived as weak and a larger bet only gets a worse hand to fold or wastes chips if villian pushes.

It feels like c/f is weak, but it still might be correct. What is the optimal line on the turn and/or river?
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Old 04-25-2007, 04:43 PM
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Default Re: KK (with re-draw) vs. a possible made straight or flush

I'd probably check shove there, with that read.
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Old 04-25-2007, 04:45 PM
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Default Re: KK (with re-draw) vs. a possible made straight or flush

A smallish bet here might be concieved as a trap if he has a weak flush, which might buy you a chance at hitting a flush of your own.

You're correct on betting stronger on the flop.

Fact is that he could have flopped the straight and a strong bet could scare him off too. If he's a total donk, throw a small bet in. He'll call thinking he's "trapping" you. If you hit your diamond, you're probably in good shape.
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Old 04-25-2007, 05:01 PM
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Default Re: KK (with re-draw) vs. a possible made straight or flush

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I'd probably check shove there, with that read.

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Old 04-25-2007, 05:17 PM
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Default Re: KK (with re-draw) vs. a possible made straight or flush

I like the check shove play here
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Old 04-25-2007, 05:43 PM
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Default Re: KK (with re-draw) vs. a possible made straight or flush

We're not at all worried he just made a flush? I obviously don't want to fear MUTB, but it seems pretty consistent with his previous willingness to chase.

Is check/shove designed to get him to fold a straight? I don't think this type of vilian folds it. Maybe he folds 2 pair here...maybe.

I like the idea of it, but I'm not quite sure what it is accomplishing.
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Old 04-25-2007, 07:00 PM
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Default Re: KK (with re-draw) vs. a possible made straight or flush

I don't like the idea...i think you misplayed the hand on the flop, and basically know you're beat on the turn. You have outs, so you check and if he bets small enough (in the 600 range) you could call and try and improve (or maybe you have the best hand). Why throw away your 2100 chips when it's pretty likely you're beat after that scary turn?

I'd fold to a push or potsize+ bet if i felt i was beat.

Edit: In the heat of the moment, I'd probably bet 1100 on the turn and call any push.
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Old 04-25-2007, 08:10 PM
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Default Re: KK (with re-draw) vs. a possible made straight or flush

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I don't like the idea...i think you misplayed the hand on the flop

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Enlighten me.
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Old 04-25-2007, 08:20 PM
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Default Re: KK (with re-draw) vs. a possible made straight or flush

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I don't like the idea...i think you misplayed the hand on the flop

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Enlighten me.

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pot flop
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Old 04-25-2007, 08:22 PM
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Default Re: KK (with re-draw) vs. a possible made straight or flush

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I don't like the idea...i think you misplayed the hand on the flop

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Enlighten me.

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pot flop

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yep, way too many cards you dont want to see, including this one
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