200NL - What is "standard" here?

[sh58]

i'd make it $100 and call a shove.

[sh58]

if called, you shove the turn

[pineapple888]

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Explanation, JFsports? Are you trying to commit him with a worse FD?

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partly, yeah. You can let him shove other draws over your 3bet. V a thinking player you should have more FE this way too.

I can't think of any other hands anyone would recommend shoving with here other than the nut flus draw, so your hand becomes pretty transparent.

So I'd just play it like I had a strong made hand. If he shoves you have an easy call, if he calls you can open shove the turn

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Note that I shove my strong made hands as well.

[spivey]

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Explanation, JFsports? Are you trying to commit him with a worse FD?

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partly, yeah. You can let him shove other draws over your 3bet. V a thinking player you should have more FE this way too.

I can't think of any other hands anyone would recommend shoving with here other than the nut flus draw, so your hand becomes pretty transparent.

So I'd just play it like I had a strong made hand. If he shoves you have an easy call, if he calls you can open shove the turn

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Note that I shove my strong made hands as well.

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I do as well, but villain won't know that.

[JFsports]

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Explanation, JFsports? Are you trying to commit him with a worse FD?

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partly, yeah. You can let him shove other draws over your 3bet. V a thinking player you should have more FE this way too.

I can't think of any other hands anyone would recommend shoving with here other than the nut flus draw, so your hand becomes pretty transparent.

So I'd just play it like I had a strong made hand. If he shoves you have an easy call, if he calls you can open shove the turn

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Note that I shove my strong made hands as well.

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well shoving would make sense then from a 'balancing your range' perspective. Do you not think that overbet shoving sets here loses out on a lot of value? Or do you often get called down anyway?

[hotbacon]

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Explanation, JFsports? Are you trying to commit him with a worse FD?

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partly, yeah. You can let him shove other draws over your 3bet. V a thinking player you should have more FE this way too.

I can't think of any other hands anyone would recommend shoving with here other than the nut flus draw, so your hand becomes pretty transparent.

So I'd just play it like I had a strong made hand. If he shoves you have an easy call, if he calls you can open shove the turn

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Note that I shove my strong made hands as well.

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well shoving would make sense then from a 'balancing your range' perspective. Do you not think that overbet shoving sets here loses out on a lot of value? Or do you often get called down anyway?

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It's either make a slight overbet shove on the flop, or raise to 100 or whatever and be in awkward spots on the turn. Just shove (if you're going to raise).

[spivey]

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Explanation, JFsports? Are you trying to commit him with a worse FD?

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partly, yeah. You can let him shove other draws over your 3bet. V a thinking player you should have more FE this way too.

I can't think of any other hands anyone would recommend shoving with here other than the nut flus draw, so your hand becomes pretty transparent.

So I'd just play it like I had a strong made hand. If he shoves you have an easy call, if he calls you can open shove the turn

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Note that I shove my strong made hands as well.

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well shoving would make sense then from a 'balancing your range' perspective. Do you not think that overbet shoving sets here loses out on a lot of value? Or do you often get called down anyway?

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I feel I get called here often enough shoving QQ+ and sets.

[atmstuck]

With the history (If the villain is aware of that too), I think shoving is the best move. He probably has a weak pair or a draw himself which he can't call an AI bet, but can 4 bet your smallish 3 bet with

[spivey]

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With the history (If the villain is aware of that too), I think shoving is the best move. He probably has a weak pair or a draw himself which he can't call an AI bet, but can 4 bet your smallish 3 bet with

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If he is 4 betting small pairs (very unlikely) and 4 betting draws (possible), we want him to 4 bet.

[FastPlaySlow]

How would you guys play a set here?

I also am starting to believe that 3betting small is a better play than just straight shoving, but I don't know.