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#81
04-30-2007, 03:17 PM
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Re: The Worst Strategy You\'ve Overheard at a Table
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him - Q6 is better than AA if you're all in preflop. they did a simulation on the compter. me - i'll bet you 1000 dollars that AA will beat Q 6 on the next five card board we see. him - no, AA wins in the short term, but when Q6 goes against AA millions of times, then it is slightly ahead. [/ QUOTE ] Fairly confident that if I ran it more, Q6o would pull a little further ahead. 304 games 0.0000055 secs 55,235,612 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 74.013% 74.342% 00.331% 225 1.00 { AcAc } Hand 1: 25.986% 25.658% 00.331% 79 1.00 { Qd6s } 1,712,304 games 0.016 secs 107,019,000 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 46.616% 46.05% 00.57% 788451 9764.50 { AcAc } Hand 1: 53.384% 52.81% 00.57% 904324 9764.50 { Qd6s } 
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#82
04-30-2007, 03:26 PM
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1/2 NL game. I showed down the nut flush after flopping a flush draw with two overs. My opponent asks what I would have done if he had raised bigger on the flop. I responded that I would have likely pushed given his shorter stack and that I thought I had 15 outs. An older gentleman asks how I figure that. I say 6 for the overs and 9 for the flush. He responds: "But you only have 7 for the flush since you have two spades in your hand." [/ QUOTE ] You only have 13 outs. 9 spades + 4 overs (can not double count the spade overs)
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#83
04-30-2007, 03:27 PM
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Re: The Worst Strategy You\'ve Overheard at a Table
he has the over-spades in his hand....
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#85
04-30-2007, 04:12 PM
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[ QUOTE ] 1/2 NL game. I showed down the nut flush after flopping a flush draw with two overs. My opponent asks what I would have done if he had raised bigger on the flop. I responded that I would have likely pushed given his shorter stack and that I thought I had 15 outs. An older gentleman asks how I figure that. I say 6 for the overs and 9 for the flush. He responds: "But you only have 7 for the flush since you have two spades in your hand." [/ QUOTE ] You only have 13 outs. 9 spades + 4 overs (can not double count the spade overs) [/ QUOTE ] We're going to need to start a new thread.
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#86
04-30-2007, 05:05 PM
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[ QUOTE ] he has the over-spades in his hand.... [/ QUOTE ] Obviously correct. I hate Mondays. [/ QUOTE ] At least this concept of double-counting outs is in your brain. Countless times I see people saying they had 17 outs with their straight flush draws. When I try to explain why you have 15 outs, sometimes it's like I'm trying to explain quantum physics. I just thought of something I hear constantly: "I'm getting 2-1 on my money so I have to call." I'm not talking about any kind of straight or flush draw. Usually it's over cards or a pocket pair lower than the highest card on the board.
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#87
04-30-2007, 05:19 PM
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[ QUOTE ] It's actually a 5 and T. Every single straight has either a 5 or T in it. I played a guy who said that T5 is one of his favorite hands and is surprisingly strong because it 'makes the most straights' obviously completely butchering the original idea. He was playing 10/20 limit and I've seen him at 20/40 before. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with whoever said there might be some leveling going on here. I've explained to someone at the table on more than one occasion that I think 10-5 offsuit is the best hand at loose, limit holdem games. It takes big hands like straights and flushes to win these multiway pots, I say, and with that hand you can make all the straights and half the flushes. [/ QUOTE ] Perhaps there might be some levelling going on in some of the other situations. I can recognize sarcasm SOME of the time while other times I admit I can get levelled. But I am pretty damn certain that it wasn't happening in my situation with the guy who yapped on about T5. I have played with him before. He's a moron. He's also the reason I sit at that table in the first place. Sometimes gets drunkish and tilty and will live-straddle from various positions or limp or raise with a pretty wide-variety of hands including 53o from UTG, etc. IIRC - he had raised with it from MP against a couple of limpers and won a big multi-way pot with a couple of 5's on the flop. He believe in T5 that much. Somebody said, "Ten-five? Wow." And I might have defended him or something by saying, "Hey man, Ten-five's a monster. Especially when two 5's are about to flop." Then he started getting all serious about his T5 play and it was obvious to everyone he wasn't kidding. He always bleeds chips, loses and gets tilty and a little drunk, and I heard him mentioning a couple times he sometimes gets tossed from the place too.
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#88
04-30-2007, 05:23 PM
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Tons of leveling going on here. You're leaving value on the table if you aren't saying this kind of stuff at low limit tables. [/ QUOTE ] i say some of this stuff at the table but in a totally "I'm not trying to level anyone" kind of way. I still end up levelling some people. Mentioning, "wow, that's the hot-seat" can always be fun. I do a little bit of intentional-levelling too now that I think about it: "Would you have played JT there?" "Depends on whether I felt like I was going to hit the flop or not."
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#89
04-30-2007, 06:37 PM
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Re: The Worst Strategy You\'ve Overheard at a Table
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[ QUOTE ] him - Q6 is better than AA if you're all in preflop. they did a simulation on the compter. me - i'll bet you 1000 dollars that AA will beat Q 6 on the next five card board we see. him - no, AA wins in the short term, but when Q6 goes against AA millions of times, then it is slightly ahead. [/ QUOTE ] Fairly confident that if I ran it more, Q6o would pull a little further ahead. 304 games 0.0000055 secs 55,235,612 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 74.013% 74.342% 00.331% 225 1.00 { AcAc } Hand 1: 25.986% 25.658% 00.331% 79 1.00 { Qd6s } 1,712,304 games 0.016 secs 107,019,000 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 46.616% 46.05% 00.57% 788451 9764.50 { AcAc } Hand 1: 53.384% 52.81% 00.57% 904324 9764.50 { Qd6s } [/ QUOTE ] Yes, but that's only because the guy with AA has the Ace of clubs as both of his hole cards, and can only make a club flush. This only manifests over time, though. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#90
04-30-2007, 07:10 PM
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Re: The Worst Strategy You\'ve Overheard at a Table
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] him - Q6 is better than AA if you're all in preflop. they did a simulation on the compter. me - i'll bet you 1000 dollars that AA will beat Q 6 on the next five card board we see. him - no, AA wins in the short term, but when Q6 goes against AA millions of times, then it is slightly ahead. [/ QUOTE ] Fairly confident that if I ran it more, Q6o would pull a little further ahead. 304 games 0.0000055 secs 55,235,612 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 74.013% 74.342% 00.331% 225 1.00 { AcAc } Hand 1: 25.986% 25.658% 00.331% 79 1.00 { Qd6s } 1,712,304 games 0.016 secs 107,019,000 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 46.616% 46.05% 00.57% 788451 9764.50 { AcAc } Hand 1: 53.384% 52.81% 00.57% 904324 9764.50 { Qd6s } [/ QUOTE ] Yes, but that's only because the guy with AA has the Ace of clubs as both of his hole cards, and can only make a club flush. This only manifests over time, though. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] But in the short run, his hand is usually declared dead.
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