Rake - partypoker vs pokerstars

[bvaughn]

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yes lets send lots more 2+2ers to WPX good idea thanks!


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There are lots of bad 2+2ers and seriously who knows anything about WPX anyway besides poker forum people

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The more people that play there, the better. As the site grows, bad players will come, whether they are new players who figure out that rake is a BAD idea or existing sportsbook players who can find a poker game going at any limit, any time of the day.

[PSW]

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The actual answer is here.

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I don't understand this data taken from the 2/4 full ring:

PokerStars $7.68 per 100 hands, 2.40% of the pot, 10k hands
Paradise $8.26 per 100 hands, 2.81% of the pot, 3k hands
Ultimate Bet $9.41 per 100 hands, 3.65% of the pot, 3k hands
PokerRoom(new) $10.31 per 100 hands, 3.74% of the pot, 6k hands
Absolute $10.41 per 100 hands, 3.77% of the pot, 2k hands
Party $11.27 per 100 hands, 3.18% of the pot, 124k hands
Pacific $16.27 per 100 hands, 4.12% of the pot, 2k hands

When I look at my last 11k hands at party, the total rake paid is $8,025/10,966=$73 per 100 hands played. My personal rake paid per hand is $6.21 per 100 hands played. I guess the latter interpretation is closer to making sense but reading the thread, it seems like he is really talking about the former. Does anyone have any clue about this?

Thanks,

psw

ps. OK, I think I have it figured out. It's average paid so the $73/9.0 = $8.11 per 100. Less than his data but I think his data may be before Party stopped taking a rake of less that $1. Also a smaller sample size.

[Webster]

% of pot is 100% meaningless - sorry. It tells you nothing.

If I played a 2/4 game with pots of $10 and they took out 1% would it be a good place to play? No.

It is what is left AFTER rake is taken out. THAT is what counts.

Not flaming you PSW - I did a study on rake and why it is so silly to be concerned.

I can't believe people play at WPX. small pots - not worth the effort.

You can make more money at a raked site,

[PSW]

Well, I agree that rake paid is really low on the priority list. The only thing that matters is what you make per hour. Contributing factors include BB/100 (quality of players and rake taken), amount of bonus and rakeback. I go back and forth on what is most profitable for me: just playing Party 2/4 non-stop 5-6 tables or playing the bonuses all over at 1/2.

psw

[Dunkman]

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The more people that play there, the better. As the site grows, bad players will come, whether they are new players who figure out that rake is a BAD idea or existing sportsbook players who can find a poker game going at any limit, any time of the day.

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The point I was making is that there's absolutely no way that someone in this forum doesn't know about WPEX yet...there has to be at least 5 posts about it on the front page at any one time. My problem is that "some" people who play there feel the need to post about WPEX in every thread about another site. Some of us know about WPEX and simply choose not to play there...we are aware of the benefits of no-rake, but we still make the decision to play elsewhere. Apparently this harms some peoples egos or something, because they can't imagine how other people would make a different decision that they did based on the same information, but in fact it happens all the time. We are not uneducated on the amount we are losing to rake, but still have made a perfectly reasonable decision that we would rather play elsewhere. I don't know why that is so hard for people to understand.

[bvaughn]

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The more people that play there, the better. As the site grows, bad players will come, whether they are new players who figure out that rake is a BAD idea or existing sportsbook players who can find a poker game going at any limit, any time of the day.

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The point I was making is that there's absolutely no way that someone in this forum doesn't know about WPEX yet...there has to be at least 5 posts about it on the front page at any one time. My problem is that "some" people who play there feel the need to post about WPEX in every thread about another site. Some of us know about WPEX and simply choose not to play there...we are aware of the benefits of no-rake, but we still make the decision to play elsewhere. Apparently this harms some peoples egos or something, because they can't imagine how other people would make a different decision that they did based on the same information, but in fact it happens all the time. We are not uneducated on the amount we are losing to rake, but still have made a perfectly reasonable decision that we would rather play elsewhere. I don't know why that is so hard for people to understand.

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Dunkman, I completely see your point that every existing poster on 2+2 already knows about rake and WPEX. But, don't you think there are new players who sign up here every day, or even new players who just lurk and browse the forums who don't know about WPEX and rake? Does it really hurt to pimp WPEX in hopes that some of these new players check it out? There is no affiliate program, and none of us are getting paid for this. Just think, if WPEX can become wildly successful, maybe players like yourself will benefit when Party or Stars or whoever are forced to cut their rake just to get some players back. Remember, Party is public, therefore they will be expected to grow their profits every year - kind of hard to grow profits if their player base is slowling shrinking.