Moving from 4/180 to 10/180

[Andrew1593]

Hey guys, I've been a lurker here for a while, but this is my first post. I've been playing consistently well, building a bankroll in the 4/180's for a few months (100% ROI, 17% ITM over ~300 games) and I'm looking to move up to the 10/180's. I'm wondering: is there a significant difference in the quality of players between 4/180's and 10/180's? I've played a few 10/180's just to test the waters and I haven't found them to be that much tougher, but I was hoping that those who regularly play them might shed some light. Are there any strategy adjustments I should be looking to make?

I've read the 2+2 FAQ on MTT's, which talks about bankroll considerations (e.g. having 50-100 BI's) and Shaundeeb's strategy guide for the 180's, but I'm looking for more specific insight on the differences between the two stakes. I would imagine there are people out there who regularly play both since the 4/180's run much more frequently than the 10/180's. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks.

-Andrew

[SuperUberBob]

I haven't played that many 10/180's. But from what I've seen, you'll see a lot more re-stealing, c-betting and bluffing at the later stages of tournament play than in a 4/180.

[Andrew1593]

Thanks for your input, Bob. I have to say that stealing is not too difficult in the later stages of the 4/180's since I rarely see the resteal play. I would imagine that means I will have to adjust my calling range slightly downward in the later stages of the 10/180's. I will also be more wary of c-betting and bluffing.

Anybody else? Thinking specifically of the endgame, I've found that 4/180 FT's tend to be quite loose and often if I reach the FT low on chips, I can sneak up a few places just by waiting for bigger stacks to bust. Is that also the case with 10/180's?

[Coz]

When you start getting to the end stages of the $10 tourneys the quality of players really increases. There are quite a few people in the ranked in the 90th percentile from OPR playing at the final 2-3 tables. Expect to get bluffed more and expect people to make more moves. ABC poker won't get you first place once you hit the final 2-3 tables. As long as you are a somewhat good player the $10 180's arn't that hard to beat.

[Sherman]

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I haven't played that many 10/180's. But from what I've seen, you'll see a lot more re-stealing, c-betting and bluffing at the later stages of tournament play than in a 4/180.

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I agree. But for the most part, don't do anything different.

[JoeyJoJo Shabadu]

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When you start getting to the end stages of the $10 tourneys the quality of players really increases. There are quite a few people in the ranked in the 90th percentile from OPR playing at the final 2-3 tables. Expect to get bluffed more and expect people to make more moves. ABC poker won't get you first place once you hit the final 2-3 tables. As long as you are a somewhat good player the $10 180's arn't that hard to beat.

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I find that at the end of either the quality is non-donk at both. I've found weak short handed players at both. The biggest difference is that the donk play continues a touch longer sometimes in a 4/180. It is easier to either go bust or get a giant stack at the 4/180.

[Andrew1593]

Thanks for all the responses, guys. The consensus seems to be that the competition is marginally better in 10/180's. I'll be looking to make minor adjustments in my game (as I always do).

Given this consensus, should I be aiming for a similar ROI and ITM as in the 4/180's? Would anyone be willing to post their stats from 10/180 play?

Slightly OT, but how much respect do you give the OPR, Coz? I didn't know about them until just recently, so I'm curious.

[SuperUberBob]

OPR only covers results, not the way your opponents play. A lot of these players don't have a huge list of tournament results under their belt so it's hard to use it as an accurate assessment. It's good to get a feel for your opponents, but I wouldn't consider its word gospel.

[mariachiinc]

I personally have a better roi in the 10's than the 4's, with quite a large sample size. If you're doing good in the 4's you should have no problems with the 10's. I do however find the 20's quite a bit better play.

[JoeyJoJo Shabadu]

i would say expect worse but considering I'm running about as awful as possible the last month or so, after moving mostly to 10s etc., maybe it's just me.

But when I say I'm running bad... I mean real real real bad.