200 NL - Standard preflop AK question

[Perseus]

Both these hands are vs. Tagish players or unknowns.

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SB ($204.50)
BB ($195.70)
UTG ($215.10)
Hero ($199)
Button ($214.95)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, Button calls $8, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $30</font>, Hero does what?

Hand 2

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Button ($161)
SB ($346.30)
BB ($203)
Hero ($158)
MP ($269.30)
CO ($280.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $30</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero does what?

[Perseus]

bump

[shpanko]

If you have a tight image I'm tempted to just fold the second hand as you made a 4x raise UTG and button didn't seem to care. THis might be to weak though but calling sucks and I don't feel to great about 4-betting either. Shoving is of course an option.

In the first hand I think I'd shove. This looks too much like a squeeze and your hand has good equity against his range.

[Esperante]

its all read depeendant man...
i mean...
i like shoving AK PF, sklansky says its good, w00t NLTAP.

3 bet range for a tag is like AK, AA-TT, with maybe's being AQ and 99. shoving gives you fold equity, cause TT/JJ along with AQ and (( are folding.

[underthesky]

I think shoving in hand 1 can be good. Calling is also fine since we've got position.

Hand 2 I 4-bet because we're out of position. Since the effective stack is just 80 BBs I'd make it a 4-bet AI.

[carnivalhobo]

i shove both

[carnivalhobo]

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3 bet range for a tag is like AK, AA-TT, with maybe's being AQ and 99.

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what games are you playing in?