5/10 - Q8o - Standard??

[Heisenb3rg]

Just had one of the worst sessions today.. -84BB in 478 hands. Woijhtioeasntiosentioasenniot.
Wont even go into how disgusting it was.

My thought process is messed right now cause im on mega monkey tilt and have been playing a lot of live loose/passive ring games, so I THINK this is standard but want the advice of people with clear minds.

UTG = ultimate calling station ever (called my 15 out semibluff turn raise down with Q high)
BB = 50/40 Spewtard, who's up 450$ at this table while im down 500$. Completly unpredictable. Not a full on maniac though.
Button = no reads

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Heisenb3rg is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, CO folds, Button calls, Heisenb3rg calls, BB checks.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4SB, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Heisenb3rg bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Heisenb3rg 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB caps</font>, UTG calls, Button calls, Heisenb3rg calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (10BB, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Heisenb3rg bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, Heisenb3rg calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (18BB, 4 players)
Heisenb3rg checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, Heisenb3rg calls, 2 folds.

Results:
Final pot: 20BB

[milesdyson]

i wouldn't 3-bet the flop. the chance button is crushing you w/ 44/55/88/76/A8/K8 or has two overs + flush draw is too much for me. your equity isn't great in this case.

[TheWunderkind]

why would you call that preflop? Q8o is a crap hand and dont plays good 3 handed &gt; i dont think that you show a profit with that...Postflop is pretty standard besides the Flop 3bet and its unlikely that you get the fishes out with your 3 bet

[Heisenb3rg]

You seriously fold that PF with a super fish and a spewtard in the hand?

[TheWunderkind]

Yeah i fold this

[TheWunderkind]

i might call if button would have folded

[jt1]

I think it's fine. You may want to wait until your equity is better and go for a turn check raise, but I'd have to do some sort of Math to be (somewhat) sure and without a read and with so many overcards it's kind of risky.

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i might call if button would have folded

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I hate "fold preflop" advice. If heisenberg had posted this hand with Q9o nobody would have said anything. With 3 players in the pot, 2 of them bad, its such an easy call.

@OP

I agree with Miles. Flop 3-bet is spewy. I would just call and reevaluate the turn. So many bad cards can come and you're often owned as it is. If 2 bricks comes of I cant find a fold.

[TheWunderkind]

Q8o is a crap hand for me wich doesnt Play great in multiway Hands so just muck it not beeing sure if i can show a profit &gt; thats why i fold same is for Q9o...
would you call Q4s too?

do you onl ythink calling is good because of the 2 bad players? What if the limpers are reasonable Postflop and only BB is spewtard or say UTG stays cs and BB is TAG...you still call?

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would you call Q4s too?

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OMG yes! I would call any2 suited with 2+ limpers in a 2/5 structure. In a 1/2 structure I call any2 suited with just 1 limper.

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do you onl ythink calling is good because of the 2 bad players? What if the limpers are reasonable Postflop and only BB is spewtard or say UTG stays cs and BB is TAG...you still call?

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Preflop is close against decent postflop players. But limpers are rarely decent postflop. The fact that 2 opponents are really bad makes it a fairly easy call IMO. RIO is an issue but pushing postflop edges should make up for it. And Hero is getting 22:3!!!