Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > Other Topics > Politics

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-27-2007, 12:35 AM
UATrewqaz UATrewqaz is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 5,542
Default Hillary\'s poll numbers tanking...

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsN...=22&sp=true

Recent poll shows her trailing head to head against all 5 top republican possibilities.

Also polls have shown Obama equalling or passing her in Iowa and gaining in New Hampshire.

Speculation as to the reason(s)?

Also what will her response be? Do nothing and hope it's just an anomaly? Come out swinging at Obama? The whole gender card issue does not really seem to play very well so I don't see her pushing that much.

I predict a full mainstream media Clinton lovefest in the next few months leading up to the primaries. Seems like every major news outlet is infested with former Clinton crew.

Also of interest, the polls show Edwards or Obama ahead of all the Republicans.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-27-2007, 12:42 AM
ConstantineX ConstantineX is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Like PETA, ride for my animals
Posts: 658
Default Re: Hillary\'s poll numbers tanking...

She's in a real bind because of her policy positions on issues that liberals love. Even reliable liberal pundits feel free to grumble about her, because on their two biggest issues this election, universal health care and the War in Iraq, she's really lukewarm and little changed from the Republicans. Paul Krugman of the New York Times openly worried that she'd be influenced by corporates.

Maybe with the Republicans looking as fractured as they do now party hardliners think they can "gamble" with an Obama or Edwards nomination. Clinton by far has the best campaign staff, tough and hardened. But it seems that even the tacticians are worried about her lukewarm reaction from the base.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-27-2007, 12:51 AM
adanthar adanthar is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Intrepidly Reporting
Posts: 14,174
Default Re: Hillary\'s poll numbers tanking...

Her strategy has always been to paint herself as the inevitable candidate. It would have worked if not for a)Obama raising too much money, and b)that debate. Now it's a horse race, and since comparatively few people actually *like* her, she's in real trouble unless Obama does something really dumb in the next six weeks.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-27-2007, 03:14 AM
maxtower maxtower is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,264
Default Re: Hillary\'s poll numbers tanking...

Hillary is terrible. No wonder she is tanking. If anyone thinks for half a second about her, they'll realize that she caters to the corporations.
She isn't liberal enough for Democrats to like her, and obviously no Republican will vote for her. Theres only so many independents who can be fooled.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-27-2007, 03:22 AM
Case Closed Case Closed is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: just how dangerous is it for a pot to hold ice?
Posts: 7,298
Default Re: Hillary\'s poll numbers tanking...

Republicans and Democrats should enact a pact to save America by agreeing to not nominate Rudy or Hillary. That way the opposite side it assured not to have to deal with their worst night mare.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-27-2007, 04:06 AM
Ron Burgundy Ron Burgundy is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: ronpaul2008.com
Posts: 5,208
Default Re: Hillary\'s poll numbers tanking...

Looks like the lefties are finally realizing that:

1) Presidential pillow-talk does not equal policy-making experience

2) Eating lunch and smiling for photos with foreign leaders does not equal foreign policy experience

3) It doesn't matter how many times you call Bush a moron if you keep voting with the repubs on foreign policy issues. That's the problem with voting based on politics instead of principle.

There's also The Oprah Factor (chicks dig Oprah, in case you haven't noticed), and potentially the lesbo-affair scandal.

Obama is a sharp dude. Politics aside, I'm beginning to really like his dry sarcasm. He'll destroy Hillary if they ever do a HU4POLLZ debate.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-27-2007, 12:49 AM
NickMPK NickMPK is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,626
Default Re: Hillary\'s poll numbers tanking...

[ QUOTE ]
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsN...=22&sp=true

Recent poll shows her trailing head to head against all 5 top republican possibilities.

[/ QUOTE ]

Note that the Zogby poll showing Hillary losing to all GOP challengers is an internet poll that does not use what would generally be accepted as a random sample. All the most recent telephone polls (including a new Gallup poll released the same day as this one) show Hillary slightly ahead of the GOP candidates.

Zogby has been experimenting with internet poll methods for the past couple of cycles. Thus far, they have performed very poorly. That's not to say that internet polling is futile. There is a lot of research current being conducted on internet survey methodology. But it's not there yet.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-27-2007, 05:37 PM
UATrewqaz UATrewqaz is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 5,542
Default Re: Hillary\'s poll numbers tanking...

I think the telling thing is that the poll shows Hillary behind the republicans but Obama/Edwards ahead of them.

If it showed the republicans ahead in all cases I think it would be easier to dismiss the poll as flawed.

But the fact that there are a large % of people who can see themselves voting for Obama or Edwards but would rather vote for a republican over Hillary is very telling.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-27-2007, 05:42 PM
AngusThermopyle AngusThermopyle is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Riding Binky toward Ankh-Morpork
Posts: 4,366
Default Re: Hillary\'s poll numbers tanking...

[ QUOTE ]

If it showed the republicans ahead in all cases I think it would be easier to dismiss the poll as flawed.



[/ QUOTE ]

And the fact that Huckabee and Thompson are ahead of any Democrat doesn't seem a bit suspect?

Wild guess: Most Obama and Edwards supporters polled 'voted' for any Republican, just to skew the poll. I doubt if they would actually crossover next November.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-28-2007, 07:37 PM
hmkpoker hmkpoker is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Stronger than ever before
Posts: 7,525
Default Re: Hillary\'s poll numbers tanking...

Are there any actual Hillary supporters on this forum? I know our resident leftists are big fans of ending the war and european-style health care, are there any Democrats here who aren't fans of Obama and Kucinich?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:13 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.