.5/1 v. 1/2 at FTP

shuinthehouse · #1 08-07-2007, 02:09 PM

I have noticed the last few weeks when I check FTP's lobby to sign up for .5/1 that the 1/2 tables are averaging higher players/flop than .5/1. I only play nights, but as an example right now the 4 .5 tables are 25,26,28,32 and the 1/2's are 28,29,33,36,36. Often I can only find 1 or 2 .5/1 table over 30, usually low 30's, but 1/2 will have 5-6 over 30, some in the high 30's.

So the question to anyone who plays both is: Is it possible that 1/2 is easier to beat than .5/1? If they are equal, 1/2 would be better b/c the effect of the rake is lessened, correct?

Buzz-cp · #2 08-07-2007, 02:12 PM

I would def play 1/2 if I were rolled for it and those numbers are coming up.

Riku · #3 08-07-2007, 02:42 PM

I've noticed this too. On some sites the table averages players/flop are 5-15 per cent higher at 1/2 than at 0.5/1.

Zeldark · #4 08-07-2007, 02:47 PM

I think it's because .5/1 is where a lot of people start. And if they're students of the game then they take it seriously which in turn makes the stakes more difficult. All stakes have their share of bad players, but my theory is that all the newish players trying to get started hold each other back and keep the tables tighter, among other things.

Riku · #5 08-07-2007, 02:53 PM

That could very well be it. At times, i can't even find a table with over 20 table general vpip.

RemyXO · #6 08-07-2007, 02:55 PM

QFT. I am seeing the same thing. I have been debating mixing those loose 1/2 tables into my sessions.

I am still a bit reluctant, since my first (and last) stab at 1/2 on Party was a disaster. I only played 500 hands and dropped about $80.

Also, while datamining FTP, I see same fishies jumping back and forth through .25/.50, .50/.1 and 1/2 limits. Same goes for sharks.

Zeldark · #7 08-07-2007, 04:25 PM

I also see the low limit games as a cheap emulation of higher stakes play. Lots of people taking it seriously, still a few horrible players. It brings high stakes to you to practice with for cheap (and drops the learning stakes even lower). When you fix your problems in today's $0.5/1, you should be much much more likely to successfully move up in limits than some one who could beat .5/1 a few years ago.

Just a little metagame philosophy I suppose.

RemyXO · #8 08-07-2007, 07:59 PM

Okie, I am trying the 1/2 waters on FTP right now.
WOW. JUST WOW. It's like good ol' Party Poker days.

My second hand at the table

Full Tilt 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero caps, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (26 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, Button bets, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (16 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, Button calls, SB folds.

River: (19 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, Hero folds, Button calls.

Final Pot: 21 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has Js 7s (flush, jack high).
MP2 doesn't show.
Button has 8c 8h (three of a kind, eights).
Outcome: BB wins 21 BB. 

My fifth hand at the table

Full Tilt 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP1 caps $5.75 (All-In), MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (22.25 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (13.12 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

River: (17.12 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets, MP3 folds, Hero calls, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 19.12 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kc Kd (two pair, kings and eights).
MP1 has Js Ah (two pair, jacks and eights).
MP2 has Jd As (two pair, jacks and eights).
Outcome: Hero wins 19.12 BB.

BigBadBabar · #9 08-07-2007, 08:44 PM

ugh bb in hand 1 ugh

RemyXO · #10 08-07-2007, 09:59 PM

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ugh bb in hand 1 ugh

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LOLZ [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] He was a very nice guy to play with, about 60/3/1.0
The funny thing is that there were FOUR fellas like this at the table. 1/2 is g00t!