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Old 11-23-2007, 01:29 PM
micpic micpic is offline
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Default Is this a fold or not?

Were on a a very bad mood yesterday, had dropped 3 buyins in the last 30 min so my thinking were not that clear...

Had the villian about 25/25/9 over 50 hands or so.



$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$99.00</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$131.22</font>)
BTN (<font color="#0000cc">$97.00</font>)
SB (<font color="#0000cc">$47.14</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$62.86</font>)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 5 players) Hero is UTG T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero calls $1, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BTN raises to $5</font>, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, BB calls $4, Hero calls $4

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($15.5, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BTN bets $15</font>, BB calls $15, Hero calls $15

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($60.5, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BTN bets $77</font>, <font color="#777777">BB folds</font>, Hero calls $77

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($214.5, 2 players)

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When I thought about this hand later then I started to think if it was the right move or not?

When he bet out on the flop it screamed "overpair" to me, so I just called because I had very many outs to make a hand. And when he pushed at the turn I were alomst sure about it.

In my op. his range should be around QQ-AA here, but It could also be some small pair that made a set or so, or he could have been bluffing with AK because the was raising all his pots.
I have in my opinion 17 outs here, 9 for the flush, 6 (maybe 4 if he had the QQ) to make the straight, and 2 for the trips.

There were 137,5$ is the pot. 137,5/77 gives odds around 1:1,8. And I improve my hand 2:1 here.

Did I get the numbers wrong?
Would you guys make the call?
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Old 11-23-2007, 01:45 PM
EMc EMc is offline
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Default Re: Is this a fold or not?

It should be a b/3b AI or c/rAI here on the flop. You flopped a beast and have great FE.
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Old 11-23-2007, 01:45 PM
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Default Re: Is this a fold or not?

fold preflop - as played fold turn.

cr flop all-in while our hand is a favourite over AA and we have 17 outs TWICE.
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Old 11-23-2007, 01:59 PM
Worm75 Worm75 is offline
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Default Re: Is this a fold or not?

Both Matrix and EMC are right about the Postflop, Preflop is a fold as played, but depending on your image/table it's ok to open this UTG to balance out your range.

As for the Button, his range here is huge, typically I am raising ATC 8 or higher here and punishing people for limping OOP, it's just free money. Espescially if you are somewhat weak tight and will fold Preflop, or when you don't hit.

I think the turn narrows his range quite a bit, I expect him to have a better than a single pp here with this overbet, and this probably should have been a fold here. On the river I open shove, since he likely checks behind.
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