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11-25-2007, 09:23 PM
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Re: bellagio 25-50: big draw very deep. is this close or no?
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what is the problem with calling and reevaling? - does he have a bigger draw too often? [/ QUOTE ] The bigger problems are that we're not closing the action and we're not calling a push (as it would have played out here). Also sets/2pair aren't giving more action when a club falls because our hand looks exactly like clubs. So, yeah. We've invested 1bb and the reverse implied odds >>>> the implied ones. 
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#2
11-18-2007, 05:35 PM
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Re: bellagio 25-50: big draw very deep. is this close or no?
Is 300BB's considered very deep for live? Calling 2100 for ~3450 here obv lots easier closing action, but it seems pretty apparent that the only card you REALLY like is the J non-club, and your other outs are likely lessened or compromised.
This nit either folds, or takes ~8k off the table and shoves(Bellagio allows that, right?).
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11-18-2007, 06:00 PM
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Re: bellagio 25-50: big draw very deep. is this close or no?
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Is 300BB's considered very deep for live? Calling 2100 for ~3450 here obv lots easier closing action, but it seems pretty apparent that the only card you REALLY like is the J non-club, and your other outs are likely lessened or compromised. This nit either folds, or takes ~8k off the table and shoves(Bellagio allows that, right?). [/ QUOTE ] are you saying the Jc is bad because it will kill hero's action or because you think it won't give him a straight flush.
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#5
11-18-2007, 06:16 PM
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Re: bellagio 25-50: big draw very deep. is this close or no?
I would like to see you call and felt Jimmy here but I'm biased because he was really pissing me off last time I played. I'm assuming we're not putting Jimmy on a flush draw here? Or is he capable of playing a bigger flush draw like this- you know him better than I do. In which case, I guess it's ep guy we're worried about. I would lean towards a fold as well sadly, partially because Detroit boy is probably capable of getting away from your flush if it hits (I'm guessing he's going to know what you have.)
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#6
11-18-2007, 10:11 PM
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Re: bellagio 25-50: big draw very deep. is this close or no?
Easy fold, surprised some are considering calling. So many problems with continuing here. Flat-calling screams clubs and you're not felting anyone with your Q-high flush if it hits. If anything you're getting stacked yourself. Also you're not closing the action, and one of the EPs could easily repop this with a set. What are the plausible arguments for calling!? That you have a flush draw semi-deep? Forget it. Fold and get'em later.
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#7
11-18-2007, 10:21 PM
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Re: bellagio 25-50: big draw very deep. is this close or no?
Teddy said it very well
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#8
11-19-2007, 04:28 AM
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Re: bellagio 25-50: big draw very deep. is this close or no?
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[ QUOTE ] Is 300BB's considered very deep for live? Calling 2100 for ~3450 here obv lots easier closing action, but it seems pretty apparent that the only card you REALLY like is the J non-club, and your other outs are likely lessened or compromised. This nit either folds, or takes ~8k off the table and shoves(Bellagio allows that, right?). [/ QUOTE ] are you saying the Jc is bad because it will kill hero's action or because you think it won't give him a straight flush. [/ QUOTE ] oops, missed that [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#10
11-19-2007, 11:35 AM
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Re: bellagio 25-50: big draw very deep. is this close or no?
I'd happily fold it while thinking to myself how many that would stack off and be drawing dead.. I'd only call with nutflush draw and a set, never raise I think.
Let's say hero has JTc or 76c. Is push the only option here? What about calling and hoping for even more action behind? A good player would fold a low set to a push. On the other hand you'd probably face a push if someone behind has a big flushdraw, while he'd probably fold to your push.
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