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Old 10-30-2007, 09:19 PM
SayGN SayGN is offline
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Default 25NL KQs in the BB, is this horrible?

What should I do here? I'm a bit confused as to every move I made. Should I call or fold pf? Looking back on it, a pf fold probably isn't bad, but I planned on continuing only on a really good flop. Is there a better line here?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
8 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $21.65
UTG+1: $25
MP1: $25.95
MP2: $25.25
CO: $20.80
Button: $26.80
SB: $9.75
Hero: $24.15

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $0.85</font>, 2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($3.5, 4 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $3</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $10</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises all-in $24.15</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in $13.3</font>.
Uncalled bets: $0.85 returned to UTG+1.
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Old 10-30-2007, 09:35 PM
LearningCurve LearningCurve is offline
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Default Re: 25NL KQs in the BB, is this horrible?

Guy is raising from EP and you will be playing a RIO hand OOP. Without a really good read this is a fold PF.
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Old 10-30-2007, 09:46 PM
Chargers In 07 Chargers In 07 is offline
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Default Re: 25NL KQs in the BB, is this horrible?

Ignoring preflop...bet/3bet is best on the flop. You want to be the one pushing, not the one calling off all your chips.
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Old 10-30-2007, 10:41 PM
NL__Fool NL__Fool is offline
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Default Re: 25NL KQs in the BB, is this horrible?

Fold preflop, as played bet 3 bet the flop all in
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Old 10-30-2007, 11:07 PM
BadBigBabar BadBigBabar is offline
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Default Re: 25NL KQs in the BB, is this horrible?

lol @ folding pf with this hand esp with 2 coldcallers.

on the flop i b/3bai and embrace the variance.
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Old 10-30-2007, 11:22 PM
MrHorace MrHorace is offline
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Default Re: 25NL KQs in the BB, is this horrible?

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Guy is raising from EP and you will be playing a RIO hand OOP. Without a really good read this is a fold PF.

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Explain RIO please? Tx
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Old 10-30-2007, 11:24 PM
MrHorace MrHorace is offline
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Default Re: 25NL KQs in the BB, is this horrible?

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Ignoring preflop...bet/3bet is best on the flop. You want to be the one pushing, not the one calling off all your chips.

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SD fan, I'm a bit unclear on the bet/3bet statement. Can you explain please? I understand the pushing part.
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Old 10-30-2007, 11:31 PM
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Default Re: 25NL KQs in the BB, is this horrible?

RIO = Reverse Implied Odds hand
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Old 10-30-2007, 11:58 PM
NL__Fool NL__Fool is offline
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Default Re: 25NL KQs in the BB, is this horrible?

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lol @ NOT folding pf with this hand esp with 2 coldcallers.

on the flop i b/3bai and embrace the variance.

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This is an easy fold preflop, you are most likely playing a dominated hand OOP. Your RIO (reverse implied odds) are horrible here and if you do hit a flush draw it will be hard to extract being OOP

Suited connectors do not play well OOP even with 2 cold callers especially ones that are likely to be dominated.

What happens when the flop comes K72 or Q72? You have no idea where you stand, are you going to call 3 streets with TP vs a PFR here?
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Old 10-31-2007, 12:01 AM
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Default Re: 25NL KQs in the BB, is this horrible?

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SD fan, I'm a bit unclear on the bet/3bet statement. Can you explain please? I understand the pushing part

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You want to bet this into the pre flop raiser hoping that he will raise your bet and then you can 3- bet push over his raise.

Your draw is so strong you want all your chips in the middle on the flop in this hand, plus you might have some fold equity by pushing
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