Overpairs...

Black winter day · #1 09-30-2007, 07:10 AM

1)

Villain is 31/23, but only 1.7 aggro factor.
Went to SD - 33%, won 56%.
So, basically he likes to see a lot of flops, but generally cautious postflop and generally has it, when goes to showdown.

Cryptologic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
6 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $1612
UTG+1: $1234
CO: $728.24
Button: $1062
SB: $1972
BB: $1000

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero raises to $38, 2 folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($119, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $100, Button raises to $315.

What's the best line here?
Call and c/r allin on the turn?
Shove now?
Call and bet-call turn?
I don't see how i can fold...

2) Villain is 14/12/5.Solid tight TAG, who seems to run like God against me.
I cannot consider folding on this board, right?

Cryptologic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1015
CO: $585
Hero: $945.50
SB: $2294
BB: $1218.50

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $30, CO folds, Hero raises to $95, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($205, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $175, UTG raises all-in $920.

I instacalled.

Trivial · #2 09-30-2007, 07:38 AM

I fold the first and snap-call the second.

Black winter day · #3 09-30-2007, 07:41 AM

You really fold the first one?
Think this a set more often than not?

tannenj · #4 09-30-2007, 07:44 AM

1. i call/call

2. i'd call, but i don't love it

Black winter day · #5 09-30-2007, 07:55 AM

So, in hand one you propose a check calling mode all the way or fold turn?
I can't fold river, since there will be virtually no money left behind...

Trivial · #6 09-30-2007, 07:55 AM

If I recall correctly you play pretty tight so I am sure all three of the sets are well within his range given that you raised UTG. Given the info in the OP it doesn't sound like he's raising a worse hand than yours for value. So we're left with sets/2pairs and bluffs (perhaps straight draws since a couple are possible).

Calling the flop raise will certainly tip him as to your hand strength and so I think if you really want to make sure you can call here and fold if he fires the turn, but in general I don't think players put in 1/3 of their stack to bluff a near pot-sized bet on this kind of board with air.

This is the kind of spot which gets more interesting with history...

ArturiusX · #7 09-30-2007, 08:00 AM

Hand 1 is tricky but I think going to felt here is ok, c/r the turn all in.

Black winter day · #8 09-30-2007, 08:00 AM

I am tight, but by no means nitty and people play back at me frequently cause i 3bet light etc etc.

But i think you are right, he will not fire again on the turn with hands i beat (and even JT will take a free card on the turn, although he rarely has JT commiting himself).

No real deep history between, just standard 3betting preflop, vb good hands etc.

jlkrusty · #9 09-30-2007, 08:05 AM

Don't fold either

1. Call (or sometimes raise). If your opponent is bluff happy, I say call the flop as well as future bets from him. If he's straitforward ABC (seems what you are describing), then call flop and lean towards c/f on the turn.

2. Call.

ipokeder · #10 09-30-2007, 08:13 AM

fold 1 snapcall 2 this is like 200NL level stuff here