ATo in BB with BTN limp and SB complete

[hagbard celine]

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t6000/t12000
(Ante: t1500)
6 players
Converter

Seat 3: BTN (195,665)
Seat 4: SB (142,692)
Seat 5: Hero (381,456)
Seat 6: (424,866)
Seat 7: (228,024)
Seat 8: (187,551)



Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
3 folds, Button calls t12000 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t27000)</font>, SB calls t6000 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t39000)</font>, Hero ?

BTN has been open shoving, and I'm pretty sure this is his first limp. I'm really not worried about SB. Should I just be shipping it in? If I raise, am I calling a shove?

[levAA]

You are too deep to shove (380k into a 39k pot is ridiculous).

I'd raise - make it 36k.

I'd fold to a 4-bet, too likely that you are dominated and reorientate on the flop if get called.

[Sykes]

Ship it in.

What are the payouts of the tournament?

[BarryLyndon]

36K is no good, if you get two callers, you are giving one of your opponents a ballooned pot and it's going to suck. You rarely don't get called here and you'd have to play OOP. If button calls your limp, his range is really wide and it's goign to be hard to cont. bet.

Proper play here, IMO, is to push or check. 40K in the pot and button has 180K, opponent less. It's greater than 20% of either stack. You're not worried about your stack here, just there's. It's like "I have 4k, he has 2K, so I'm deep, I call." Who cares if you have 4K, when he has 1.7K left in a 400 pot...

Button is probably limping now because he's pretty healthy and is no trying to see a flop cheap. However, you really don't know this for sure. He probably is afraid of a three bet and is limping with JT or 66 or JQ or something along those lines. If I had 250K or something, I would push. With my stack, I think I check. But table dynamics and feel are verything here.

I'd say push and check are close here. Def. not a raise to 36K.

Barry

[hagbard celine]

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Ship it in.

What are the payouts of the tournament?

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1st $5200
2nd $3200
3rd $1700ish

[jchauvin]

All in push shove etc.

[sapsuckah]

Barry - you contradict yourself here. First you explain (correctly) that we're dealing with effective stack sizes here, not your stack. Then you say that if your stack size was closer to 250k, you'd shove... even though effective stacks are only like 195k here.

As far as the hand goes, I definitely like a raise here and, since I'd be calling any push, I might as well just push in the first place. It's a bit of an overbet, but it maximizes FE and I'm really happy raking in the 45k that's sitting out there.

And it'll also be the last time anyone [censored] with your blind.

[TheFoxNL]

Shove seems somehow stupid IMO like LevAA also pointed out the pot is just 39k

i would like a raise but not 36k tho

id raise like 50kish
fold to a shove
and make a large c-bet on any face card flop
lets say only button calls
pot will be 140k C-bet 90k and villian will have to decide if he wants to trow in his stack


Edit: i agree if youre gonna call a shove
just shove it in youreself

[hagbard celine]

Barry

This is exactly how I felt. I hated the idea of raising here, cause the BTN flats, no ace on the flop and I c/f???

The maniac inside just screamed push and punish the limpers, make them make a decision for their stack. But the BTN limp seemed weird for this guy.

It seemed a little bit like he had a pp--something like 44-88, and wasn't sure what to do with it. Although a hand like QJ, JTs, KJ, etc seem plausible as well.

Obv. if I think he's got unpaired broadway this is a shove. But if Villain is holding a pp&lt;10, this a pretty clear shove, right?

[MJBuddy]

If the pot were 2k more, I'd shove.


Otherwise I'm checking.