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08-27-2007, 02:47 AM
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Tom Paine\'s Bones
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08-27-2007, 08:29 PM
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Re: Tom Paine\'s Bones
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Tom Paine's Bones Tom Paine Quotes -Zeno [/ QUOTE ] Thanks Much, Z........ The quotes are definitely worth re-reading and reflecting upon. It's been a while.
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08-27-2007, 08:41 PM
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Re: Tom Paine\'s Bones
Thanks Zeno, I am going to bookmark that link of quotes.
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08-27-2007, 09:21 PM
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Re: Tom Paine\'s Bones
I love Thomas Paine. Though doesn't most of his writing conflict with the general 2+2 guys? He's pro-democracy, a statist, and believes universal suffrage to be the most important of liberties.
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08-27-2007, 09:42 PM
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I love Thomas Paine. Though doesn't most of his writing conflict with the general 2+2 guys? He's pro-democracy, a statist, and believes universal suffrage to be the most important of liberties. [/ QUOTE ] hehe.... How well would that conflict reflect upon the "general 2+2 guy"? [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]
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08-27-2007, 11:19 PM
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Re: Tom Paine\'s Bones
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I love Thomas Paine. Though doesn't most of his writing conflict with the general 2+2 guys? He's pro-democracy, a statist, and believes universal suffrage to be the most important of liberties. [/ QUOTE ] 2 of my fav quotes by anyone: "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." - Thomas Paine "That government is best which governs least." - Thomas Paine And this doesn't really sound like a statist: "The instant formal government is abolished, society begins to act. A general association takes place, and common interest produces common security."
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08-27-2007, 11:22 PM
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Re: Tom Paine\'s Bones
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I love Thomas Paine. Though doesn't most of his writing conflict with the general 2+2 guys? He's pro-democracy, a statist, and believes universal suffrage to be the most important of liberties. [/ QUOTE ] Kinda. His writings have always struck me as a capital L Libertarian. As the previous post mentioned, he had a huge distaste for government but felt it was necessary, albiet in a minimum form. I'd say "revolutionary" is a far more appropriate term. While that hypocrite, Jefferson, made this quote, it surely wishes it came from Paine's mind: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"
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08-27-2007, 11:31 PM
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Re: Tom Paine\'s Bones
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[ QUOTE ] "That government is best which governs least." - Henry David Thoreau in Civil Disobedience [/ QUOTE ] FYP [/ QUOTE ] yeah, actually it looked weird (it was on that list of quotes posted and I was like wait Paine said that? Pwn!)
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08-27-2007, 11:34 PM
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Re: Tom Paine\'s Bones
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[ QUOTE ] I love Thomas Paine. Though doesn't most of his writing conflict with the general 2+2 guys? He's pro-democracy, a statist, and believes universal suffrage to be the most important of liberties. [/ QUOTE ] 2 of my fav quotes by anyone: "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." - Thomas Paine "That government is best which governs least." - Thomas Paine And this doesn't really sound like a statist: "The instant formal government is abolished, society begins to act. A general association takes place, and common interest produces common security." [/ QUOTE ] If you think government is a "necessary evil" you are by definition a statist. If you read "Rights of Man" the essence of liberty and freedom is described to come from universal suffrage. He wrote it at a time when Whig/conservative gov'ts were oppressing the poor, no democracy and an aristocratic ruling class. The book later became the symbol of Chartism which sought to establish a socialist type state with fair representation and I presume proportionate taxation. You could probably find some interesting quotations of his slamming the Jews too which I hope most 2+2'ers disagree with!
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