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[Grasshopp3r]

Sports gambling = fixed games
Sports gambling is worse that casino gaming as sports has no way to audit to determine if the games are fixed.

Poker > sports gambling

Personally, I am about done with poker as the games are getting too hard for me to beat, so I really don't care. I have never beat sports gambling, though I have kept records of picks for years and I have only broken even. The window is closing on the PPA momentum to get legislation passed before the games dry up.

[DeadMoneyDad]

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The window is closing on the PPA momentum to get legislation passed before the games dry up.

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I agree.

The question is how do we at least prop it open long enough for the PPA to gain traction?

If this were 1776 I'd call for a "convention".

Just to be fair geographically perhaps in St. Louis?

JP we could all meet at your house! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

You have an over sized West County McMansion don't you? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Perhaps a virtual one?

Let's try something!


D$D

[Legislurker]

Why are people so bummer on the games "drying up". The next day after poker is acknowledged legal online the money will flood online. Advertizing has barely started in the US. Look at the UK with athletes, bus stops, billboards, and everyday media abuzz with gambling ads. If Tuff insists on full disclosure I did meet with an ad exec of a small firm to discuss how to make money advertizing remote gaming if the day came, but my real objective was to [censored] her. I was not paid. Poker is still wildly untapped, mostly downstream though. The tables with blinds .10 and down and tourneys with buy ins under $5. The blinds from .25-$5 should be able to achieve pre-UIGEA status as well, almost instantly. Im not experienced or knowledgable at all of the NL1k and up crowd or green chip limit. I really doubt poker will decline this generation, unless the US has a major recession, or a new game to bet on emerges.
Granted, my earn rate and lifestyle are crimped considerably.

[JPFisher55]

Sorry D$D, those days are in the past. I'm afraid my abode will not suffice for a meeting place. IMO your concern about games drying up is misplaced. I still find the games profitable. We have time, be patient.

[DeadMoneyDad]

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Why are people so bummer on the games "drying up".

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Poker IMO is still growing, on-line play is declining.

After the UIGEA I can find more "juicy" home games than ever before!

Tuff and I were just talking about this fact. He and I may not know nor agree on all the real reasons; sci-fi fears, scandals, deposit hurdles, withdraw problems, hand histories, bots, HUDs, grinders, multi-tabling, (let alone multi-tabling, datamining, computerized HUD using, semi-bot, "computerized sharks") and the like. Or even the relative weight to apply to the problem or solution.

It does seem pretty clear at least for your average recreational player that NO ONE given the high level of personal greed in the "poker community" is looking out for the "good of poker" let alone trying to limit the short term or long term damage to on-line play.



D$D

[Jzo19]

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Why are people so bummer on the games "drying up".

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Poker IMO is still growing, on-line play is declining.

After the UIGEA I can find more "juicy" home games than ever before!

Tuff and I were just talking about this fact. He and I may not know nor agree on all the real reasons; sci-fi fears, scandals, deposit hurdles, withdraw problems, hand histories, bots, HUDs, grinders, multi-tabling, (let alone multi-tabling, datamining, computerized HUD using, semi-bot, "computerized sharks") and the like. Or even the relative weight to apply to the problem or solution.

It does seem pretty clear at least for your average recreational player that NO ONE given the high level of personal greed in the "poker community" is looking out for the "good of poker" let alone trying to limit the short term or long term damage to on-line play.



D$D

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the mid to low limit games are still fine IMO , it was alot worse post uigea and early this year but its cleared up a bit and the games are still juicy (maybe not as much as the old party days) but they are still beatable for a decent amount by good players ...