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Old 08-12-2007, 02:24 AM
Colms Colms is offline
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Default QQ 3-bet pot, bad river

Villain is JFish on 2p2, 22/20/9 over 105 hands. He just sat at the table but I know he 3-bets pretty light and although we don't have any history I think he bets this river with almost any two cards. Easy call?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $402.00
BB: $1,049.20
UTG: $786.60
Hero (BTN): $394.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $52.00</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $38.00

Flop: ($108) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $70.00</font>, Hero calls $70.00

Turn: ($248) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($248) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets all-in for $280.00</font>, Hero calls all-in for $272.00
Uncalled bet of $8.00 returned to SB

Pot Size: $792.00 ($2 Rake)
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Old 08-12-2007, 02:35 AM
Colms Colms is offline
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pot, bad river

Just to add, AK most likely shoves this turn as well as any nut flush draw so his range of hands beating me is most likely something like AT-AQ, AXs. Obviously he also could have slowplayed a hand on the turn but since we just sat at the table I would expect him to play most of his hands pretty straightforward.
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Old 08-12-2007, 03:13 AM
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pot, bad river

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and although we don't have any history I think he bets this river with almost any two cards. Easy call?

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Well... if this is your read, you know it's a pretty easy call. I would trust my own read above anything here
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Old 08-12-2007, 03:58 AM
fslexcduck fslexcduck is offline
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pot, bad river

foldfoldfoldfoldfoldfold

hes value shoving AJ
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Old 08-12-2007, 06:00 AM
MatthewRyan MatthewRyan is offline
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pot, bad river

4bet preflop/fold river
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Old 08-12-2007, 06:57 AM
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pot, bad river

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4bet preflop/fold river

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no calling preflop is perfectly fine and probably better than 4betting.
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Old 08-12-2007, 08:16 AM
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pot, bad river

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4bet preflop/fold river

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no calling preflop is perfectly fine and probably better than 4betting.

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Unless you 4 bet with any sort of frequency, and then I think 4 betting is best. Otherwise I basically agree with above. As for the river, while I agree he could be shoving here with any 2, the likelihood of him valuetowning you with Ax or even Kx makes this a fold IMO.
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Old 08-12-2007, 08:17 AM
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foldfoldfoldfoldfoldfold

hes value shoving KJ

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Old 08-12-2007, 05:53 PM
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pot, bad river

lol nobody ever folds to me ever at 2/4.
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Old 08-12-2007, 06:00 PM
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pot, bad river

Well what was the outcome?
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