NL400 KK turn and river decision on a dangerous board.

[jetsetboy]

Vilain is crapface82. We have tangle much together. I might look a bit weak and folded a few hands on different tables before this one. For those who doesn't know him he seems TAG playing something like 14/11/7 or so.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 8 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $390.00
BB: $1,003.45
Hero (UTG): $423.80
UTG+1: $444.00
MP1: $618.80
MP2: $194.00
CO: $502.45
BTN: $445.15

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $16.00</font>, 5 folds, SB calls $14.00, BB folds

Flop: ($36) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $28.00</font>, SB calls $28.00

Turn: ($92) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $74.00</font>, Hero calls $74.00

River: ($240) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $199.00</font>, Hero folds

Pot Size: $439.00 ($3 Rake)

I was kind of lost in this hand. I don't like my flop cbet and think $32 would have been better. The turn is the best bluffing card I've ever seen but we don't have much history together so I'm not sure he is bluffing often enough. With AAh I would push the turn quite often. With KKh should I have pushed?

[Eternal]

i think you're fine here. I'd play it the same way against a guy with those stats

[sccl]

Is there really a difference between AAh et KKh in this hand ? (I'm not telling to push the turn)

[BT2]

would you bluff the turn if you were in his shoes?

[gieffe]

i dont see the difference between kk and aa in this hand.

also dont see a big difference between betting 28 or 32 on the flop

i think the hand would have developed the same way

[crunny]

I like how you played this hand. However, you mentioned pushing the turn...wtf... i think that is horrible.

[soah]

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The turn is the best bluffing card I've ever seen but we don't have much history together so I'm not sure he is bluffing often enough.

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how often is he floating you oop to draw at scare cards to bluff with when you've raised utg?

how often is he turning a pair into a bluff?

[CopTHIS]

Yikes, why would you push the turn with either KK or AA? That seems about the worst thing you could do. River is an obvious fold.

[jetsetboy]

Thanks all for your reply. I agree that a push with AxAh wouldn't be too efficient. I've discussed with a friend who just told me that given the situation he is folding on the turn quite often. Any comment about the turn call? I have at max 11 outs and can be drawing dead against Axhh or 65hh. My opponent seems good and I think will fire most of the time any river card if he is bluffing. If he is not bluffing I don't have the odds nor the implied odds (he will not call a river bet with a set if a fourth heart hits). I can not hope to bluff out of a better hand on the river. Any comment ?

[Eternal]

folding the turn with KK no hearts is probably okay. But I don't know if i could fold KKh