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#11
09-08-2007, 01:32 PM
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Re: 200 NL, top pair in a limped pot against moron.
In my experience these guys usually flip over ATC after they bet 3 streets of value against you. usually a bluff.
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#12
09-08-2007, 01:40 PM
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Re: 200 NL, top pair in a limped pot against moron.
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I think one street is not necessarily enough information given OP's read. It could easily be a big stab with worse than Kx if he fires once, then checks behind on the turn. After all, if he was bluffing or firing with a weak Kx, then he'd be worried about OP having a 5. So, I don't think c/f the flop is terrible, but c/c the flop with a plan to c/c the turn and then c/c the river would be. [/ QUOTE ] My point was if he bets $20 again on the turn only if he's bluffing but more like $40 if he has a hand. And then he bets $20 again on the river with nothing, but shoves if he has a hand. This would be an excellent spot. If he bets $20 no matter what, I don't know. If he always 3 barrels when you check to him, then he'll be bluffing much more than 50% of the time.
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#13
09-08-2007, 01:47 PM
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Re: 200 NL, top pair in a limped pot against moron.
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[ QUOTE ] I think one street is not necessarily enough information given OP's read. It could easily be a big stab with worse than Kx if he fires once, then checks behind on the turn. After all, if he was bluffing or firing with a weak Kx, then he'd be worried about OP having a 5. So, I don't think c/f the flop is terrible, but c/c the flop with a plan to c/c the turn and then c/c the river would be. [/ QUOTE ] My point was if he bets $20 again on the turn only if he's bluffing but more like $40 if he has a hand. And then he bets $20 again on the river with nothing, but shoves if he has a hand. This would be an excellent spot. If he bets $20 no matter what, I don't know. If he always 3 barrels when you check to him, then he'll be bluffing much more than 50% of the time. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not so sure. This assumes that he gives hero absolutely no credit for a hand when he c/c's the flop. What would hero c/c the flop with? 5x and Kx. That's it. So how much fold equity does villain have? Some vs K-weak-x. But not much otherwise. I think villain may be bad, but he can't be so bad as to say to himself, "This pretty solid regular just c/c'ed an overbet on the flop from the blinds on a K55 flop. He MUST have a weak hand that I can push him off with 2 more barrels..." That doesn't make sense, even for a moron. I don't think villain fires again on the turn without at least Kx. Maybe if he's bad he fires with K3s or something, but I doubt he fires with air given that OPs c/c screams "I got a piece, buddy, so kepp firing..."
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#14
09-08-2007, 01:50 PM
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Re: 200 NL, top pair in a limped pot against moron.
If his bet stay the same for all 3 streets, I think you should just check/call. However if he bets close to the pot on turn or river, you have a fold.
Calling flop and folding turn for 10$ would be terrible.
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#15
09-08-2007, 03:54 PM
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Re: 200 NL, top pair in a limped pot against moron.
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This assumes that he gives hero absolutely no credit for a hand when he c/c's the flop. What would hero c/c the flop with? 5x and Kx. [/ QUOTE ] Honestly, I doubt he even thinks that far (about what I call him with). He's that bad.
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#16
09-08-2007, 09:14 PM
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Re: 200 NL, top pair in a limped pot against moron.
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[ QUOTE ] This assumes that he gives hero absolutely no credit for a hand when he c/c's the flop. What would hero c/c the flop with? 5x and Kx. [/ QUOTE ] Honestly, I doubt he even thinks that far (about what I call him with). He's that bad. [/ QUOTE ] So what happened? If you c/c the flop, turn, and river for $10 each, my guess is KT is no good. But I seem to be in the minority. So, at the risk of being results oriented, what did he have?
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