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View Poll Results: Do you limp with 56s UTG full ring?
Always 4 9.09%
Occasionally 14 31.82%
Rarely 15 34.09%
Never 11 25.00%
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Old 09-04-2006, 07:42 PM
AceHiStation AceHiStation is offline
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Default 2/4NL(6-max): When to lay down Kings

Villain in this hand is a complete unknown.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($361.28)
MP ($388)
CO ($612.30)
Button ($213.55)
Hero ($444.90)
BB ($368)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $4. Hero posts a blind of $2.
UTG (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $4, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $22</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $55</font>, UTG folds, Button folds, Hero calls $35.

Flop: ($126) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $42.73</font>, Hero calls $42.73.

Turn: ($211.46) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $120.56</font>
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Old 09-04-2006, 07:44 PM
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Default Re: 2/4NL(6-max): When to lay down Kings

You lay this down when he is not an unknown.
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Old 09-04-2006, 07:47 PM
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Default Re: 2/4NL(6-max): When to lay down Kings

Okay here is what you beat that reraises you preflop: jacks and a whiffed AK.

How likely are those hands here? Does he keep firing with jacks? With AK?

I'd personally be raising the flop for sure. On the turn you have absolutely no idea what to do, and it's because you just called the flop.
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Old 09-04-2006, 07:51 PM
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Default Re: 2/4NL(6-max): When to lay down Kings

Glad too see you are back AceHiStation.
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Old 09-04-2006, 07:54 PM
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Default Re: 2/4NL(6-max): When to lay down Kings

where's the option for reraise preflop, lead flop?

also - if the villian is a completely unknown, his hand range is fairly large (its 2/4 nl @ pp...). Devoid of reads, he could have any number of hands that you still beat. folding either of those streets is a bad idea the way you played it.
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Old 09-04-2006, 07:55 PM
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Default Re: 2/4NL(6-max): When to lay down Kings

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where's the option for reraise preflop, lead flop?

also - if the villian is a completely unknown, his hand range is fairly large (its 2/4 nl @ pp...). Devoid of reads, he could have any number of hands that you still beat. folding either of those streets is a bad idea the way you played it.

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Given the fact that I'm raising from the SB where I have the worst position in the hand and villain is reraising the SB from the BB, I'm narrowing his range quite a bit. I won't say what I have his range to be yet, but I definately think its more narrow than most would think.
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Old 09-04-2006, 07:58 PM
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Default Re: 2/4NL(6-max): When to lay down Kings

I raise more preflop and probably 4-bet as we are OOP. 2 limpers and you are OOP and you make it 22, are you trying to be in a 3 way pot with KK OOP?
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Old 09-04-2006, 08:00 PM
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Default Re: 2/4NL(6-max): When to lay down Kings

If you're just going to call preflop (which I don't like OOP), then you should be c/r this flop. Since the BB started with &lt;100BB, I wouldn't be hesitating getting the money in.
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Old 09-04-2006, 08:26 PM
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Default Re: 2/4NL(6-max): When to lay down Kings

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folding either of those streets is a bad idea the way you played it.

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Villain could easily have AQ, JJ or air (trying to push you off your hand). Just calling preflop and then calling the flop doesn't show alot of strength. Villain may very well be thinking that a hand worse than KK is good because of the way you played it.

Also, villain's flop bet looks really weak.
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Old 09-04-2006, 08:51 PM
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Default Re: 2/4NL(6-max): When to lay down Kings

Dont fold this
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