What is your line here?

[WMB]

Check the flop. If MP is straightforward, you should get a better idea where you stand after seeing the action. If it goes check, bet, I might raise given mp's tendencies. If ep bets and mp raises, I'm done. If ep bets and mp calls, I might call and bet most turns.

[Sailboats]

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Check the flop. If MP is straightforward, you should get a better idea where you stand after seeing the action. If it goes check, bet, I might raise given mp's tendencies. If ep bets and mp raises, I'm done. If ep bets and mp calls, I might call and bet most turns.

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Agreed.

Also i think he was trying to say you're weak-tight. I would 3-bet this preflop.

[BadBigBabar]

it's an easy pf 3bet for value against bad opponents especially those who will raise and cap crappy holdings. if you're rolled for this level you shouldn't be afraid of playing big pots with big hands against bad opponents. not playing optimally preflop then getting worried on a one overcard flop sounds like you may be playing scared money or may not be properly rolled for the game (no offense meant obviously; as this has happened to a lot of us)

[that_pope]

Pretty defensive there. You asked for advice, and were told the standard play in a vacuum is to threebet. If MP is totally a rock who never raises without JJ+, then a threebet isn't optimal, but that is read oriented, as is you knowing the limper will raise here.

As for your question, you have no play but to check, you said you didn't threebet so you could get a good read on the situation, so let your reading skills at it while you check.

[mongidig]

Didn't mean to sound defensive. I just think it is funny when you play a hand different than how others would how quickly they are to label you weak tight.

By the way, I didn't ask for preflop advice.

[bakku]

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Didn't mean to sound defensive. I just think it is funny when you play a hand different than how others would how quickly they are to label you weak tight.

By the way, I didn't ask for preflop advice.

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what's the point of posting in an advice forum if you don't want any advice?

[mongidig]

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Didn't mean to sound defensive. I just think it is funny when you play a hand different than how others would how quickly they are to label you weak tight.

By the way, I didn't ask for preflop advice. [/quo

what's the point of posting in an advice forum if you don't want any advice?

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This reply makes no sense and is a waste of time.

[ActionBob]

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By the way, I didn't ask for preflop advice.

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Am I just imagining this line from the original post then?

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Should I have three bet preflop?

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-ActionBob

P.S.- Yes

[mongidig]

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Check the flop. If MP is straightforward, you should get a better idea where you stand after seeing the action. If it goes check, bet, I might raise given mp's tendencies. If ep bets and mp raises, I'm done. If ep bets and mp calls, I might call and bet most turns.

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Agreed.

Also i think he was trying to say you're weak-tight. I would 3-bet this preflop.

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OK! I am going to give you kids a little lesson. First, set down your Ed Miller book. Ready?

The theoretical correct play when you have the best hand preflop is to raise and reraise as is probably the case here. However, as you gain expertise you become capable of making reads that allow you to divert from the assumed correct play. This is playing counterintuitively if you will.

In this situations I could have threebet preflop, the UTG would have capped since thats what he does in these situations and the MP would have called. Now, do I have any better read on what MP has. NO!

In this situation, I called, EP limp-reraised(as predicted) and MP just called. Now, do I have a better read of what MP has?

There is also deceptive value to just calling here since I could have a pretty big range of hands I called with. If I three bet my range would be much smaller.

I usually do three bet in this situation but decided to take a different approach. My biggest problem is that I am overly aggressive certainly not weak tight.

Now stop believing everything you read and start thinking for your self.

[jkamowitz]

If you believe what you say, shouldn't you then cap it after utg lrr'd? Consider:

If you're concerned about gaining information on mp's hand, you can now rule out AA/KK/QQ/JJ?/AKs, therefore according to your "theoretical correct play" you should cap assuming utg holds enough cheese as you say he does.

I agree that sometimes you should call in this situation and sometime's three-bet. But not for the reasons you stated.